To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

[AngeloMysterioso]

And actually a damning indictment of the state our society and the pressure placed on women to conform to increasingly ridiculous and unattainable standards of “beauty”??

A woman in her early-30’s has just died after having a Brazilian butt lift procedure in Gloucestershire, leaving 5 children who will now grow up without their mother. She’s not even the first woman to die after this procedure, which is known to be the most dangerous cosmetic surgery procedure commonly available- just the first to die after having it done in the UK.

What the fuck is going on?? Why are women literally putting their lives on the line trying to mimic some cartoonish Kardashian aesthetic? Is it that we place so little value on our own lives or so much value on appearance? Is it that these surgeries and treatments which were once the preserve of the rich and famous, are now available to pretty much anybody and can be performed by people with next to no qualifications?

I feel so angry for that woman, and desperately sad for her children.

Oh please, what a load of nonsense! She was a grown adult who made a decision to have a risky procedure that would give her a bigger arse. Stupid, stupid risk to take.

Most women would never dream of doing something so stupid.

I'm not angry for her. It was her own stupid choice and there is no pressure that I can see to do this. Everyone I know thinks it looks ridiculous. It is a societal issue in that we tolerate this kind of batshittery in the name of women's rights.

Then don't spout nonsense.

I remember the shock when Denise Henry died after botched liposuction and yet here we are nearly 20 years later and women are dying from poor quality medical conditions procedures carried out by people who put profit before safety.

It's appalling - both that women feel the need to do it and that it's possible to have it done

Shaving is a great example of societal pressure, as the majority of women with their legs out have them shaved.

BBLs are not.

That's your prerogative. Hopefully it might give some other misguided woman food for thought.

Not everyone is clever - rule of thumb half are less clever than average

Are you happy for less clever people to die because of the society we have all built?

Suspect this thread will go poof there is no much nastiness

Why did you mention men in the first place then? SMH.

Bollocks to that - I shave because I feel more comfortable. I don't remove hair from my lady bits. Entirely my choice. At my age I don't give a stuff about societal pressure.

Indeed.

The vast vast vast majority of women aren't dying from it either. Sometimes people, including women, make stupid choices. Yes there's societal pressure to look good, there's also personal responsibility.

Good point. And those men often put other people in danger because then they need to be rescued.

Which 'norm' are you referring to? Utter twaddle. She made a choice, if she did 30 seconds of research she would have known the dangers.

Give women some credit will you!

I also agree. I have asked my male friends and colleagues their opinions on this stuff before and the overwhelming response is- they hate the way it looks.

I have yet to come across a single man who says their dream is meeting a woman who has had a bum enhancement or inflated lips. Quite the contrary, they are vocally against it. I dont know where this idea comes from that it's men encouraging women to get this stuff done, it isnt. It's women who have bought into this idea from social media that it attracts men when in reality it's off-putting to them.

@Runnerinthenight I've already had this discussion, apparently I only shave my legs (that are very rarely on display) for men

Yes, of course the majority of women aren't getting BBLs. Still concerned by the increase in fillers and such like. Women of a certain demographic have all started to look like plastic dolls.

Which sports have a 1:4,000 risk of death? Even sky diving is less than 1:100,000. I can imagine going for a run or playing tennis is anywhere near as risky.

I know someone who left a toddler fatherless after mountaineering in the Himilayas. I think that was equally selfish.

So, so tragic. I had a breast reduction operation last year done by a leading surgeon in the NHS (op was private of course). I felt entirely safe throughout and would not have done it if I thought there was a meaningful risk of death.

Knew that was coming. To highlight that this particular ‘stupid choice’ seems to be the preserve of women and provoke thought as to why that may be. Not to put men and their woes front and centre. That’s the difference.

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And that's exactly how I read your initial post - gobsmacked other posters can't see that point. It's not about who is dying prematurely most but why this path is one women follow more.

Male suicide is a worthy discussion and deserves its own thread.

I’m trying to give poor Alice Webb the benefit that she didn’t make her decision in a vacuum.

I think people are on this thread are either very naive or deliberately obtuse on the demands of society on women.

I agree. I think there should be better education and possibly more regulations when it comes to procedures like this, but I don’t think it’s the „society“ that pressures women into such extreme bodily modifications.
I mean, there are plenty of women walking around without having had any surgery done.
I see plenty of „normal“ looking women. The fact that there’s currently a slim/ thick or whatever trend on social media doesn’t mean that that’s how „society“ demands you should look.

Surely shaving adds to physical discomfort, how does it make you feel more comfortable?

That's utter tripe.

Even if it wasn't - what of it? Nobody ever died at the hands of Mr Bic or Miss Immac!!!