To think that 5 children growing up motherless because their Mum wanted cosmetic surgery is absolutely tragic *edited by MNHQ

[AngeloMysterioso]

And actually a damning indictment of the state our society and the pressure placed on women to conform to increasingly ridiculous and unattainable standards of “beauty”??

A woman in her early-30’s has just died after having a Brazilian butt lift procedure in Gloucestershire, leaving 5 children who will now grow up without their mother. She’s not even the first woman to die after this procedure, which is known to be the most dangerous cosmetic surgery procedure commonly available- just the first to die after having it done in the UK.

What the fuck is going on?? Why are women literally putting their lives on the line trying to mimic some cartoonish Kardashian aesthetic? Is it that we place so little value on our own lives or so much value on appearance? Is it that these surgeries and treatments which were once the preserve of the rich and famous, are now available to pretty much anybody and can be performed by people with next to no qualifications?

I feel so angry for that woman, and desperately sad for her children.

nonsense. Nobody sees my legs or bikini line but I shave them roughly once a week because they feel nicer when they are smooth. Really fuck all to do with societal pressure when you're a middle aged woman who never exposes her body parts anyway!

Sure, it's highly likely you coincidentally go to the trouble of shaving alongside most women in the UK. It's got nothing to do with being a societal norm, you just happened to pick up a razor one day and spontaneously take off your body hair.

@poppyzbrite4 My point exactly. You don't have a drawer full of various creams and other beauty products because they are rarely for men, the beauty industry is aimed at women.

No, as I stated already, the reason why I don't have beauty products is that they wouldn't do anything to benefit me. The fact that they are aimed at women is irrelevant. If they were aimed at men, I still wouldn't buy them, because again, they wouldn't do anything.

Oversized ugly cars are aimed at men too, yet, I manage not to buy those.

As for why some women buy makeup and beauty products, I can't answer that because I'm not those people.

Obesity isn't prized in men, but bulking up is. Ergo they take up more space. Bulking up products are aimed at men, weight loss products are aimed at women. Losing weight for health is aimed at everyone.

If the goal of bulking up was to take up more space, then most men would be opting for the "strongman" build. Most gym rats aim to be like bodybuilders (muscular with a low body fat %), but clearly bodybuilders are not nearly as big as strongmen.

How much filler goes into a bbl compared to 1ml put into lips.. that's crazy. Would like to know her actual cause of death though.

She chose to do this mayb3 society would be better if people stopped blaming society and 'oh I am forced to have surgery/do anything else because I don't have a brain in my own head to think for myself'

Stop blaming others and make decisions for yourself is what maybe parents should be teaching children, parents are the best role models for children but I doubt the intelligence is very high sometimes

Stop blaming society for everything

The fact that it was so quickly after the procedure means its unlikely to be an infection. More likely he has either gone directly into a vein, the pressure of the filler has squashed a vein or artery impeding flow or he's given too much local anesthetic. I imagine expanding the tissue that much would be quite painful.

@shuggles

No, as I stated already, the reason why I don't have beauty products is that they wouldn't do anything to benefit me.

Anti aging creams aren't aimed at you as you're male, therefore you don't think they would benefit you. They rarely have a benefit, they're usually overpriced crap sold as the elixir of youth - it's about focusing on women's insecurities.

You haven't had a lifetime of socialisation reducing you to your looks and playing on your insecurities. You don't buy beauty products because they're marketed at women. The beauty industry is predominantly about women.

The fact that they are aimed at women is irrelevant. If they were aimed at men, I still wouldn't buy them, because again, they wouldn't do anything.

You think that because the sexes are socialised differently and these products aren't relentlessly marketed at you. Beauty products do do something, make up is used to enhance your attraction, hair products are used to style your hair.

As for why some women buy makeup and beauty products, I can't answer that because I'm not those people.

I've already answered it because they're aimed at people like me.

If the goal of bulking up was to take up more space, then most men would be opting for the "strongman" build. Most gym rats aim to be like bodybuilders (muscular with a low body fat %), but clearly bodybuilders are not nearly as big as strongmen.

It depends why you're working out. Many men want bigger muscles and visible abs, hence the low body fat. They don't do weights to get smaller, they do weights and take protein to get bigger. Men also take steroids to bulk up quicker.

Whereas women are perceived as more attractive when they're thinner. Skinny men aren't seen as particularly attractive.

@shuggles.

From the minute females are born they are judged and rewarded for their beauty. Young girls are complimented for being pretty. You rarely hear people saying "Oh what a strong girl you are", or "What a clever girl you are".

As teens, they are bombarded with critiques of female body shapes. Whether it's magazines or more recently social media. every teen mag I ever bought contained page after page of what beauty must-haves you need. pictures of beautiful women that hardly anyone could achieve. lose 10lbs in 10 days articles or get beach body ready.
Now it's reality shows where none of the women are overweight or have unusual looks, they all look like bloody clones of each other.

It's constant, even when you get a bit older its use this cream or that, try this procedure or that, stay young, and don't age! FGs don't age.
Women are keenly aware that their value in society is based mainly on their looks. It starts young and its constantly reinforced by society
Even if we die it's seen as more tragic somehow if we were attractive or pretty. They even make a point of mentioning it in the news ie "Tragic death of pretty teen"
It takes a strong woman to refuse to go along with it because those types of women are derided for it.

@Diplodoofus no idea, she looked beautiful before I assume having her lips done and god knows what else. You can always tell and it looks awful. I think the fillers get naturally removed from the body over a few months, but they can move other places and all sorts I think.

I saw the guy they arrested on an episode of Botched, I remember raising an eyebrow at the time because he said he does his own injections despite not having any qualifications in it. I remember thinking "that sounds like a recipe for disaster". You have to be so careful with surgical procedures and know exactly where all the nerves etc. are and what could happen.

Why are we calling women lower intelligence?

We know one aspect of their lives and that they likely suffer from body dysmorphia.

Having just read who she went to for the procedure it just blows my mind. 🤯 Just looking at "the Lip King" would surely put anyone off having any procedures at that studio?!

Also, Alice was naturally very pretty and the old natural photos are infinitely nicer than the more recent ones where she clearly had lip and other fillers. Why can't people see themselves?!?

Mumsnet can sometimes be so ass backwards when it comes to how people expect women (and men) to behave. Nobody forced her, she made her choice. I'm sure she also knew the risks. It's sad, but to say she's a victim of society treats her as someone with no agency in her own life. I've seen this in other threads, particularly when it comes to people working in any sex type industry. I've worked in strip clubs, we are not all poor abused women forced into a life of debauchery. I made my choice, and I did it because of money. I had no problem using my looks and sexuality for my advantage.

As someone who has recently undergone surgery (for breast cancer) I was absolutely petrified that something would go wrong during the operation and that I wouldn't wake up and would leave my 2 kids without a mum. You really do have to question the mentality of these people who choose to have unnecessary surgery.

But it's mumsnet, it's easier to blame men than for women to take responsibility for their own stupid decisions, like getting silicone injected into your arse.

I don’t really understand the BBL trend.

My cousin has one and looks ridiculous. Also you can easily get a bigger, perkier bum in the gym.

Makes no sense to me.

Well 50 years ago spoilt rich women did have facelifts but they were mostly laughed at. Cosmetic surgery has become mainstream now. That in itself is tragic.

Also I don’t understand why OP is worked up by this story. The woman took the risk and died. That’s her business not mine.

A tragic waste of a life, sadly.
Heartbreaking for her 5 daughters.

A total waste of money too.
How much does a BBL cost ?
I'd prefer to save the money for my children.

I mean... this is the guy she went to for the procedure. Surely a walking advert AGAINST fillers?!? 😳

It’s interesting, societal pressure and the belief of the individual that they are immune to it.

Breast shape, for example. I don’t think women have breasts the shape they are ‘supposed’ to be. Maybe for some, for a brief period in their youth.

So we wear clothes designed to look good on bodies no one has.
We design bras to make our boobs look like boobs don’t actually look, rather than purely for comfort.

But none of that is societal pressure of course. Our understanding of what ‘flattering’ is has no relation to societal pressure. What looks ‘good’, ‘suits us better’, all totally freely chosen and nothing to do with societal pressure. Of course not.

Yes, as tragic as it is, I don’t think you can blame society for someone going to an unqualified person such as this for a serious and risky procedure.

Of course the industry should be more regulated but equally, look at this guy. He’s a walking red flag.

You know children have died from the quack "science" of homeopathy?

Of course the industry should be more regulated but equally, look at this guy. He’s a walking red flag.

He is a walking gargoyle.