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That makes me feel sad! Is this the new "be kind"

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10milliondollars · 25/09/2024 20:23

Is this now a thing?

I've had a couple of disagreements recently with adults who like to push the boundaries when they don't get their own way - their response has been that makes me feel sad - is it me or is it such a weird thing to say to another adult you have a difference of opinion with - both adults had no right to their demands and I said I would not do what they wanted. Most people feel sad when they don't get their own way - but they don't lay the guilt on other people.

I think these people are being manipulative - AIBU.

OP posts:
GingerPirate · 26/09/2024 10:40

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 25/09/2024 20:26

Yeah, the correct response is ' Oh do fuck off.' Of course it's up to you if you say it out loud or just think it 😉

Exactly.
Let them be sad. 😁

User37482 · 26/09/2024 10:48

I’d just pat them on the hand and say “there there” and then ignore. It’s so childish, if someone said “I’m disappointed” I could handle that but “sad” what do you do with that? Why say it unless you are trying to use emotional manipulation.

I think being able to recognise and label your own emotions is really healthy. That doesn’t mean you have to share them, in fact I think thats actually really unhealthy in a lot of ways. We teach children to be able to label their feelings to help them know what that feeling is and better cope with a situation. We don’t label emotions so we can tell other people, it transfers responsibility for managing your emotions from you to them.

Turnitoffnonagain · 26/09/2024 10:52

AmyDudley · 25/09/2024 21:20

'would you like me to call the wa-wa-wambulance?'

😂

Tapestree · 26/09/2024 10:56

"Yes, I imagine it does make you feel sad to have to face your own negative traits. But I'm sure you can learn from this so that your own actions don't lead to sadness."
I am so good at being passive aggressive.

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 26/09/2024 11:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/09/2024 09:59

Nobody likes being emotionally blackmailed, whether their conscience is clear or not.

No you’re right. No one is being expected to like it. I’m commenting on people’s discomfort at emotions being names.

I guess what I’m noticing is the polarised view is coming across here. The assumption that naming feelings and expressing them is manipulative and childish and there could be a danger of assuming this in every case of someone saying how they feel.

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 26/09/2024 11:08

I mean to be fair…the AIBU threads aren’t really known for being about nuance and developing shared understanding and connection. It’s about the adrenaline rushes and dopamine hits we get from feeling wronged, arguing the toss and feeling validated by the people who agree with us. I’m sure for most of us it’s some kind of emotional release and an opportunity to say things to people we wouldn’t say to our colleagues and loved ones in real life

BoelBedmunds · 26/09/2024 11:14

Bloody be kind. Which means nothing except a stick to beat you over the head with these days over everything and anything! No I won’t be kind, I’ll be civil. Being kind to everyone means our daughters have no boundaries.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/09/2024 11:25

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 26/09/2024 11:03

No you’re right. No one is being expected to like it. I’m commenting on people’s discomfort at emotions being names.

I guess what I’m noticing is the polarised view is coming across here. The assumption that naming feelings and expressing them is manipulative and childish and there could be a danger of assuming this in every case of someone saying how they feel.

I mean, I think there's a time and a place.

And I do think it's a bit childish sometimes. It's helpful for children to learn to name the emotion they are feeling and communicate that to adults instead of having a tantrum.

And in adults, yeah sometimes it's useful, for example if you're trying to communicate properly with your partner.

But sometimes, in adults, naming the emotion IS the tantrum. You don't get what you want so you're expressing your displeasure, except it's, "That makes me feel sad" rather than, "I'll thcweam and thcweam til I'm thick!" If they have an actual tantrum we feel able to say, "OK, you're being unreasonable, come back when you've grown up a bit." Whereas if they do the whole, "I feel saaaad" routine you feel obliged to pander to that emotion even if they are being totally unreasonable. That's why it can be manipulative and childish IMO.

uncutdiamonds · 26/09/2024 11:38

I'd rather they stop teaching this stuff to kids and let the kids have a tantrum. They usually feel much better afterwards. It's called emotional regulation. Stop trying to hijack the learning process.

Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 26/09/2024 11:41

uncutdiamonds · 26/09/2024 11:38

I'd rather they stop teaching this stuff to kids and let the kids have a tantrum. They usually feel much better afterwards. It's called emotional regulation. Stop trying to hijack the learning process.

Huh?! I think you’ve misunderstood the premise of teaching emotions and also overestimated ANYONE’S ability to stop a child having a tantrum. It’s not one or the other. It’s both!

Theredjellybean · 26/09/2024 11:57

I hear this from my little goddaughter...when I won't let her eat haribos at bed time...along with " your not my best friend anymore"
I expect it from her
An adult...Well they'd get an incredulous look of utter disbelief and then I'd struggle not to laugh

AlexaSetATimer · 26/09/2024 12:12

DoIWantTo · 26/09/2024 05:29

My teen does this, it drives me bonkers. “Clean your room” “oh, that makes me sad” I don’t care, it still needs done so go clean your room and stop laying on the mum guilt 🙄 (don’t say that to her obviously, apologise for making her sad but tell her it still needs done).

Why are you apologising???

AlexaSetATimer · 26/09/2024 12:18

CrispieCake · 26/09/2024 08:29

I think I'd reply "If you need help dealing with your emotions, Ms Rachel has some great strategies aimed at toddlers in her videos".

If you're feeling helpful, you could share a link.

Edited

Love this one Grin

Choochoo21 · 26/09/2024 12:43

Bodeganights · 26/09/2024 09:33

Articulating emotions has a time and place, as has already been said.
Not every place or time is suitable to tell people you are sad.
Use your inner voice in those settings.

If I went to the office this morning and told them I am frustrated to fuck with the utter disaster that's been the last two weeks, they would ummhum at me at best, more likely fall about laughing. New school year brings chaos.

If you told a coffee shop worker you were sad that those biscuits you always buy were out of stock, what exactly do you want them to do with this profoundness? Answer, nothing, so why say it?

Me and my colleagues always have a moan about how frustrated we are.
That’s the best part of working in a team, is so you can vent to each other.

And if my coffee shop was out of my favourite biscuits then I’d absolutely say how gutted I was.
I wouldn’t be rude and I would say it in a jokey way but I would definitely be disappointed.

It’s normal to say how you feel, even if you don’t expect a response or there’s anything that can be done about it.

I would definitely think this is a relationship, friendship or family situation which is what OP seems to imply.

betterangels · 26/09/2024 13:52

AlexaSetATimer · 26/09/2024 12:12

Why are you apologising???

That was my thought.

Hoppinggreen · 26/09/2024 13:54

I know a few like this, I usually just say " thats a shame" and move on

Illegally18 · 26/09/2024 16:39

MayaPinion · 26/09/2024 03:38

‘That’s guilt, not sadness, Sandra.’

That's also great answer! 😂Am noting these answers down

Bodeganights · 26/09/2024 17:03

Choochoo21 · 26/09/2024 12:43

Me and my colleagues always have a moan about how frustrated we are.
That’s the best part of working in a team, is so you can vent to each other.

And if my coffee shop was out of my favourite biscuits then I’d absolutely say how gutted I was.
I wouldn’t be rude and I would say it in a jokey way but I would definitely be disappointed.

It’s normal to say how you feel, even if you don’t expect a response or there’s anything that can be done about it.

I would definitely think this is a relationship, friendship or family situation which is what OP seems to imply.

I got the impression OP was about work stuff, but having re read it I'm not sure. Maybe it is a more family situation.

As for the saying how gutted you would be if coffee shop ran out of favourite biscuits, who would you say this to and why?
Say to your friend whose with you, sure, great, your friend can commiserate with you.

Say it to the coffee shop staff, what do you think they can do about it? It literally sounds like a complaint no matter how jokey.

Say it to some randomer in the queue with you and they equally cant solve it, probably wont care and will think you are strange, in their head will be "just choose another biscuit ffs"

Rhaenys · 26/09/2024 17:45

I’ve been hearing this too lately! Not directly to me thankfully, but other people saying it to each other. It sounds so weird….almost infantile.

I think it might actually be the new ‘be kind’. 😳

HauntedBungalow · 26/09/2024 17:48

minipie · 25/09/2024 20:34

“Oh dear. I’m finding your sadness quite triggering.”

Perfect.

Wingingit247 · 26/09/2024 17:54

My response to this would be the same one I use to my kids when they’re moaning about not getting their own way - thank you for sharing!

Viviennemary · 26/09/2024 17:56

It's pathetic amd childish. Just say how very childish.idiots

TrainWeirdos · 26/09/2024 17:56

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Boomer55 · 26/09/2024 17:57

10milliondollars · 25/09/2024 20:23

Is this now a thing?

I've had a couple of disagreements recently with adults who like to push the boundaries when they don't get their own way - their response has been that makes me feel sad - is it me or is it such a weird thing to say to another adult you have a difference of opinion with - both adults had no right to their demands and I said I would not do what they wanted. Most people feel sad when they don't get their own way - but they don't lay the guilt on other people.

I think these people are being manipulative - AIBU.

Ignore it. They're attention seeking. 🙄

Daltonbear1 · 26/09/2024 17:58

You haven't said what you have said if you stated to me that you wanted to shoot the boats that migrants go in which yes I have heard folks say that online and offline I may say yes that makes me feel angry or that makes me feel sad that anybody can be so heartless so I don't know what you said to get that response