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That makes me feel sad! Is this the new "be kind"

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10milliondollars · 25/09/2024 20:23

Is this now a thing?

I've had a couple of disagreements recently with adults who like to push the boundaries when they don't get their own way - their response has been that makes me feel sad - is it me or is it such a weird thing to say to another adult you have a difference of opinion with - both adults had no right to their demands and I said I would not do what they wanted. Most people feel sad when they don't get their own way - but they don't lay the guilt on other people.

I think these people are being manipulative - AIBU.

OP posts:
Awrite · 25/09/2024 21:27

Head tilt "me too".

UmaNipples · 25/09/2024 21:27

Silently just smile and nod, apparently sympathetically

YourMommaWasASnowblower · 25/09/2024 21:27

It sounds quite an immature response and manipulative. A child saying it is fine, an adult I think I’d want to tell them to grow up.

The future seems to be heading towards nobody speaking to each other ever again.

Ribenaberry12 · 25/09/2024 21:30

I’ve never seen it that way tbh. I’ve heard at work and been grateful that people were expressing their feelings openly in the moment and not bitching about stuff later on. Doesn’t mean I have to be responsible for their feelings - just helps to know for someone’s mood. If someone feels sad about something going on I know not to harp on about it and piss them off.

WouldYouLikeMeToSpellThatForYou · 25/09/2024 21:31

Singinglala · 25/09/2024 21:25

I work in a CAMHS team and I regularly hear this sort of language used with children (not generally by professionals or co-workers), generally in a bid to attempt to make them behave in a way that the other person wants.

I personally don’t think it’s an effective way of teaching labelling emotions, my interpretation generally is that it weaponises emotion and makes a child feel bad and that they are responsible for making the person feel bad, and therefore they are bad. But more importantly I’ve seen many youngsters who feel responsible for adults feelings, and that it is their job to make them feel a certain way.

I can see it’s being used a lot in lots of different contexts. I heard it being used towards my toddler in nursery the other day ‘You’re noise is making me sad’, when he was simply making happy noises during an exciting game (albeit a bit loud / but he’s only 1.5) the nursery staff member just felt he was too loud. That’s not going to help him developmentally in any way, other than that he’ll start thinking that his reaction when he was happy made other people sad and he is responsible for not making them sad.

I have a different perspective on this, in relation to behaviour specifically, and beliebe that actually, young people need to understand that their behaviours do have consequences and impact others. What I've found across education , social care and mental health is that we are not setting those expectations for cyp to be responsible for their behaviours.

It doesn't have to be about changing someone, or changing behaviour at all. If you have a strong therapeutic relationship with someone you are able to use those immediacy skills and repair any ruptures!

The example given re your little one is madness though. Too young and also random to ask a toddler to not make noise!

BunfightBetty · 25/09/2024 21:33

I’m guessing a ‘sucks to be you, then’ response wouldn’t go down well? Bloody tempting though.

Ellie56 · 25/09/2024 21:34

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 25/09/2024 20:26

Yeah, the correct response is ' Oh do fuck off.' Of course it's up to you if you say it out loud or just think it 😉

Indeed.
Grin

Charlize43 · 25/09/2024 21:36

I would have chucked a Werther's Original (I always have some in my bag) at them and told them to cheer up... because the best way to fight such blatant passive aggression is with more passive aggression.

baroqueandblue · 25/09/2024 21:36

BlackShuck3 · 25/09/2024 21:14

Easy, just one up them, 'sadness triggers my anxiety attacks, I cant be around you if you are sad', etc

😄 😄 😄

SpuytenDuyvil · 25/09/2024 21:37

How about, "Your sadness is making me feel very unsafe,"?

Ouncesnow · 25/09/2024 21:38

I think I can live with that. Said in the voice of Gru from minions.

Compash · 25/09/2024 21:38

Put your sunglasses on and say:

😎 "Deal with it."

YesIJudge · 25/09/2024 21:41

I hate it. I have a friend who often texts about situations that 'make me feel sad' or 'it saddens me'. Well that shite fucking enrages me.

Secradonugh · 25/09/2024 21:42

Singinglala · 25/09/2024 21:25

I work in a CAMHS team and I regularly hear this sort of language used with children (not generally by professionals or co-workers), generally in a bid to attempt to make them behave in a way that the other person wants.

I personally don’t think it’s an effective way of teaching labelling emotions, my interpretation generally is that it weaponises emotion and makes a child feel bad and that they are responsible for making the person feel bad, and therefore they are bad. But more importantly I’ve seen many youngsters who feel responsible for adults feelings, and that it is their job to make them feel a certain way.

I can see it’s being used a lot in lots of different contexts. I heard it being used towards my toddler in nursery the other day ‘You’re noise is making me sad’, when he was simply making happy noises during an exciting game (albeit a bit loud / but he’s only 1.5) the nursery staff member just felt he was too loud. That’s not going to help him developmentally in any way, other than that he’ll start thinking that his reaction when he was happy made other people sad and he is responsible for not making them sad.

Do you feel if I say to my kids 'I'm really annoyed / upset with you because you did X, and I've already told you not yo do X'? It's an honest question because I used to get a quick smack for doing the same from my mum, but we were told that we shouldn't smack and we're told to say the emotions. I felt understood and learnt quicker from smacking.

Mulhollandmagoo · 25/09/2024 21:42

10milliondollars · 25/09/2024 20:23

Is this now a thing?

I've had a couple of disagreements recently with adults who like to push the boundaries when they don't get their own way - their response has been that makes me feel sad - is it me or is it such a weird thing to say to another adult you have a difference of opinion with - both adults had no right to their demands and I said I would not do what they wanted. Most people feel sad when they don't get their own way - but they don't lay the guilt on other people.

I think these people are being manipulative - AIBU.

My 5yo says this every time we say no to a pet unicorn or something equally ridiculous 🤣

baroqueandblue · 25/09/2024 21:44

Secradonugh · 25/09/2024 21:42

Do you feel if I say to my kids 'I'm really annoyed / upset with you because you did X, and I've already told you not yo do X'? It's an honest question because I used to get a quick smack for doing the same from my mum, but we were told that we shouldn't smack and we're told to say the emotions. I felt understood and learnt quicker from smacking.

Nice try Hmm

Seeingadistance · 25/09/2024 21:45

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 25/09/2024 20:26

Yeah, the correct response is ' Oh do fuck off.' Of course it's up to you if you say it out loud or just think it 😉

😁

FOJN · 25/09/2024 21:45

WouldYouLikeMeToSpellThatForYou · 25/09/2024 21:18

I'm torn with this because sometimes focusing so much on emotions isn't helpful for some people, you can get really lost and drawn into your own narrative/drama.

However, also seeing all of the sarky responses to 'I'm feeling sad or whatever emotions' is a bit disheartening because it shuts down the chance to reflect with other people!

Yes, sometimes people are trying to manipulate and then it is a case of stepping away from that person, but sometimes it might actually be useful to acknowledge, repair and continue on!

In the context of the OP, what is there to reflect on, she disagreed with people she knows push boundaries. She was quite clear they had no right to make their demands. People like that only interpret conversation as negotiation, sane people know when to shut that down, not indulge it.

You have made several posts talking about your field of work but it actually has no relevance to the OP.

AskMeTomorrow · 25/09/2024 21:46

I think it’s a school (or YouTube) thing as my DCs say this to me, “you’ve made me sad” or “that’s hurt my feelings”. Usually when I’ve said no to something like a second ice cream or a day off school!
My response is usually “don’t worry, you’ll live”. Which my mum used to say to me and I’ve waited decades to use myself lol

harrumphh · 25/09/2024 21:46

Were these all women with children who said this to you? I can't see a man saying this.

Mebebecat · 25/09/2024 21:47

They would get 'oh dear I'm sorry to hear that ' from me - with absolutely no offer to change my decision. Then I would leave them to it.

OfficerDoofie · 25/09/2024 21:47

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GiddyRobin · 25/09/2024 21:49

Oh, I can't stand this sort of thing with grown adults. One thing for children but adults speaking this way is both manipulative and a bit cringey.

I'd be tempted to reply:

"Boohoo."
"Aw. Shame."
"Why's that my problem?"

If they're going to speak like children, do it back. They might realise it doesn't work in the real world.

CautiousLurker · 25/09/2024 21:49

Afraid I am likely to respond to those types of comments with ‘well, given all that’s going on in the world today, the fact that something so comparatively unimportant has the power to make you sad is a ‘you’ thing, isn’t it?’ I’d probably be wearing a WTF expression, too.

But I can be quite outspoken, am on the spectrum, and am finding it hard to filter myself post-menopause.

Manxexile · 25/09/2024 21:49

I'd reply "Oh dear, what a pity, never mind"

(With apologies for misquoting It Ain't half hot mum and "Oh dear, how sad, never mind")

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