To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

You were asking for examples of non-binary people in a professional setting so I was just providing one. I’m not sure of the relevance of your comment tbh, obviously my post was about a specific individual and I don’t really see how it was abusive.

It won't be gender presentation. It will just be " presentation".
Make or female turning up in something terrible ( too tight, too shiny m unfitted) will keave a poor impression.

I didn’t realise you were actually putting non-minority on your CV, I thought it was hypothetical. But yes, if some emphasised their white straightness, I wouldn’t employ them.

I’ve not had any applications from gender critical people, in think because “we welcome applications from transgender people” in our job application text is like Krytonite to them.

@Caplin im purposefully being an arse for not calling someone “they” to a third party? I’m never going to need to use their pronouns, there’s literally no need for anyone to divulge them in a work place setting. “Tam needs this photocopied” “Tam has asked us to work overtime” “Tams shift starts at 3.” Not one of those requires the use of pronouns. Keep your political bullshit out the workplace, you’re there to do a job not to fuck about trying to trip people up with gender nonsense.

I work in science and employ PhD level in the main. it’s pretty common to see gender identity on CVs and e mail signatures these days. Particularly anyone in academia, especially American. Many of the names are foreign and so I would not know the gender otherwise (not that it matters). So if your DC is writing it on their CV they would be probably in the majority of ones we see in my area of the science tech sector.
we would note it, use correct pronouns and not expect it to be a topic of conversation.

I guess it depends what kind of job they are looking for (sounds like not all industries are like mine) and how much they hijack the conversation to talk about it when they come to interview rather than focussing on their interest in the role.

Statistically 98% of violent and sexual crime is committed by males (regardless of how they identify). No one is saying women don’t commit crime, but the majority is by men. It’s fact.

Wild that this needs pointed out but here we are.

I don’t think your child being non-binary is the issue but bringing it up in their introduction is. I just want them to introduce themselves with their name; stating their pronouns at that point is completely unnecessary. It makes them come across as unprofessional.

So only white straight people can be GC?!

You do more harm for trans ideology than you realise mate 😂.

i'm sure it's fine if the person has the right skills and attitude. Someone who turns up with blue hair, facial tats, and wearing an andy pandy play suit for a serious employer is not going to cut it. Some employers will see that and think that the person will cause trouble or have 'activist' activities all the time which will interfere with the job. So if you are serious about a job, act serious.

I would have any issue with this as an employer, I think it is all about the best person for the job. But agree with others that I don't think it is necessary to introduce themselves with their pronouns. Rather if it came up in the interview I might highlight it eg if asked about how they've demonstrated resilience. Anyone who comments and says 'oh Kevin doesn't seem like a female name' is probably not the right fit as an employer anyway.

As they should!

The psychological violence and bullying is also significantly by women.

• I would NOT have any issue....

Disabled people quite often have it on their cv/mention it is application/first interview… for one thing I’d have to find out if I can even access the building to get to an interview.

One extreme example is not the norm

What makes that example extreme?

But a lot of men don't commit violent crime, I'd imagine the majority.

Yet there you are tarring them with the brush.

That's the hypocritical bit.. you are literally gender stereotyping and can't even see it.

The kid sounds like a prima donna so would understandably be given a wide berth.

”Tam’s forwarded Tam’s spreadsheet from Tam’s laptop to Tam’s PC.”

“We recommend Tam as your counsellor. Tam is a good listener, Tam really knows Tam’s stuff!

So much less awkward than saying they.

You just don't get it. Nothing is as narrow a box as telling someone that unless they like frilly pink they can't be a woman. Telling them they must be non-binary or trans or anything other than they are.

Just let people be themselves WITHOUT them needing a nonsensical label. Feeding a delusion isn't love, it's cowardice.

Maybe they are just being polite in advance, clearing up what might be in someone’s head about incongruence between name/appearance. and allowing polite people to avoid misgendering them in the future.

But men commit more violent crime. You are living in non binary cuckoo land.

So you agree you are stereotyping by gender then.

Good, at least we agree on one thing.

I have interviewed many, many people for jobs and no one has ever introduced themselves like that . Generally I may say hello xxx xxx thank you for coming for interview, it's lovely to meet you and then we crack on. Is that a thing, to do a declaratory introduction?

I have no idea where you got gender critical from. You said you would put “non-minority” on a CV. No mention of gender critical at all.