To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

I’m sure the vast majority of non binary people (the majority of non binary people I know fit this group) who go about their day doing boring jobs wearing average clothes, drawing no attention to themselves whatsoever as it would be too mortifying to be judged and they might be abused by rabid GCers, will be shocked to know how they have gotten it so wrong 🙄

There are plenty of women who oppose gender critical people, but they are hounded out in quick order. Trans women are not men, and have the legal right to be in women's spaces, and can be excluded if it's a proportionate means to a legitmate end. I support the current law, and I don't want it rolled back.

Anyone can set up a trans-exclusionary RCC - in fact Beira's Place is one. What you can't do, is force an existing RCC to exclude them if they don't want to.

I hire graduates and couldn’t give two hoots about anything other than their ability to do the job well, and be a team player.

Sadly I think there are just too many applicants for some jobs. I had over 80 candidates for my most recent role and it was only open for applications for a few days.

My observation is that it is. I've witnessed micro aggression and overt discrimination against people in the workplace who, by appearance, are deemed gay/lesbian etc. I think part of declaring is to have confidence in oneself by saying this is who I am. I think that is important and I support a person's choice to be as open, or not, about who they are and how they want to present and be identified as. It takes far less energy to be accepting and respectful in this way and who am I to tell someone otherwise anyway? 🤷‍♀️

Sadly, copying and pasting from the judgement hasn't made you understand any of it. Because it's not persuasive, employers are free to completely ignore it, and nobody cares whether you think that's stupid or not.

How dare! 🙀

The opinion of some sad little misogynist tosspot is of no relevance here. Users who are just here to try and demean and intimidate and subjugate women should be banned. Cretinous inadequate little men try to exert control over women and they really can't stand that women quite rightly will tell them to fuck off with their misogynist bullshit.

Yes women can. Yes they are male.

No one has the right to force anyone else into their delusion. They have their own groups. And yes, women will continue to put pressure on RCC into ensuring these groups remain single sex. Thankfully against your misogyny it’s looking like this will be enforced.

Couldn't agree with this more.
However, I wonder if you're reading more into this thread than needed?

I did stop short of saying that.

Thanks. I will always push back against posters who demonstrate misogynistic and demeaning attitudes towards women. I'm not obliged to put up with their bullshit and neither is anyone else.

Trans women are in the majority of cases biological men who have no legal right to be in women’s single sex spaces however much they stamp and scream and demand to force themselves against women’s will proving they are male by their sheer entitlement and misogyny.

Keep repeating words online doesn’t magically make them true

If there is another tribunal, it will refer to this judgement. That's how it works. They might chose to ignore it, but it's a strong case law, so there is a risk to employers if they don't take note.

Read what solicitors have to say about it, not me. There are any number of others.

What approach should employers take?
In terms of avoiding legal liability for discrimination, employers should assume that non-binary and gender fluid employees are protected under the Equality Act 2010.

https://hrcentre.uk.brightmine.com/commentary-and-insights/hr-talking-point-are-non-binary-employees-protected-from-discrimination-at-work/166585/

https://www.brethertons.co.uk/site/blog/gender-fluid-persons-protected

I wouldn't be going near anyone who is a 'they/them' so yes I think your DC is less likely to get an interview! It's bloody hard trying not to call someone he or she when they are clearly one or the other.

I probably wouldn't interview anyone who put any pronouns on their CV. I'm just sick of this bullshit.

hollow laugh

Despite the fact that Beira's Place is entirely funded by JRK, takes no funding or resources away from the (mixed sex) ERCC (who are almost entirely funded by the Scottish Government) and provides the only single sex rape crisis service in Edinburgh and the Lothians, the footstamping of those who protested against Beira's Place as being 'transphobic' was something to behold.

You mean they can be quite vocal about it?

So might take this to be confrontational or uptight or rude. Its possible that the manner in which they do this gives a poor first impression and that puts off an employer because they thing its going to mean drama in the workplace rather than focusing on the job.

It might not be the identity thats perceived as the problem. It might be attitude.

Anyone can set up a trans-exclusionary RCC

You mean a single sex safe space for women?

Honestly your language screams misogyny with every post. It really is all about the men in your world isn’t it.

There are some male to female fully transitioned people who I have no issue with seeing them as women. I can’t remember her name but she’s an American YouTuber who I would never have guessed was born male. I don’t have a blanket view on all trans, I can really respect some of them. I have no time for the Lia Thomas’s of this world and I don’t understand what non binary is but I do get that some people strongly feel they’re born in the wrong body.

I think they work with natal women however they identify too, don't they?

If your child is non-binary, wouldn't they have chosen a gender neutral name? Honestly @GinnyPiggie just tell them to go with 'My name is x' full stop.

Wow. Triggered much? At no point did I say being gay and being NB are the same, or even in the same stratosphere. I said it wasn’t that long ago that being SSA was considered by some to be a mental health issue. I was trying to address the person that said being NB was a personality disorder, by highlighting something that was also once thought to be a mental health issue, and is now widely recognised as not being in anyway related to mental health. If I rephrase it and say that women going through hormone related emotional regulation issues were once institutionalised as being mentally ill is that better? Or does that upset someone else in here? Also, I’m not equating being a turn of the century‘ hysterical woman’ with being non binary (or SSA). Happy now? Jeez.

People can complain about it, the same way people complain about the vast majority of RCCs which chose to include all women. There is nothing wrong with gender critical people having their own RCC. It's legal, and I have no issue with it.

There really aren't "fully transitioned people". There are only people who have had more extreme medical interventions or surgeries. People can't change sex.