To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Does this mean they want to use the men’s toilets?

For a start, how many Lord Mayors are there? I’m guessing it isn’t a common job. Now find a picture of an average non binary person doing an IT job in the suburbs. The ones I know look pretty ordinary.

But they don’t need to state it within the initial introduction at an interview. That comes across to me as someone who would make it a big deal and cause a fuss rather than someone who just happens to be trans and get on with their job. If I introduced myself in an interview as hi I am … I am … years old, it would be seen as weird (and probably very childish). This is no different

I would suggest that anyone who presents themselves unconventionally at interviews whether that's an "extreme" hairstyle, clothing choices that are unconventional etc may find themselves passed over where candidates are equal. Unconventional names can be an issue too - I've worked in hr and quite frankly Star and River didn't get shortlisted, my boss said names should be suitable for business cards.

It's certainly worth trying to conform to a point during the application process, and I didn't hire the chap who came for interview in a see through top - it wasn't discrimination for him being gay (as he claimed) but the interview is partly proving you know how to dress for a corporate position!

I didn’t say that. I said of the 98% of the violent and sexual crime that DOES OCCUR, it’s committed by men. It’s still quite a lot. Try again.

Probably depends on where they're applying to work.
My hairdressers, transgender/non binary a definite plus.

Cynically, any org trying to up their EDI stats probably a plus too.
But generally, probably not overly helpful - Sadly, it really shouldn't matter

I got it from this, that I posted to you. I’ve reposted below. I think you are confused. You seem to be confused about a lot.

‘Resorting to insults, nice.

Would you be as open, inclusive and non-bigoted to an applicant who rocked up and declared themselves gender critical? Also a protected belief. I’d bet my last Twix you wouldn’t’.

Wouldn’t that be using ‘they’ and ‘their’ as it’s been used for years before the pronoun stuff (Tam’s forwarded their spreadsheet has nothing to do with pronoun preferences). I’ve referred to people as they for years not because they’re NB but in the English language it’s commonly used when you don’t need to repeat their first name.

So easy to trot out "hate" or " "bigot" whilst forgetting women are the still oppressed half of humanity.
Women are the butt of nasty, judgemental and detrimental tropes.
Once we have both sexes on an even playing field then you can discuss the rights and wrongs of trans.
Gender stereotypes benefit no one.

Do any of you that think people decide they identify as a woman because they don't like traditionally feminine clothes, colours, activities, etc actually know any trans people at all, anyone with gender dysphoria? Do you honestly think people would put themselves through all the suffering and fear and bigotry that transitioning entails if it was just that they didn't like stereotypically girly/boyish stuff??? The ignorance beggars belief

Or you could look at it the other way- if this employer doesn’t want to have my breed of minority here I want to know that asap… I don’t want to work somewhere where management are ablest/homophobic/racist/transphobic (delete as appropriate) therefore I bring it up earlier on in recruitment so I don’t waste my time.

Obviously requires a somewhat privileged position in terms of not being desperate to get any job because you’re broke.

I would also suggest that unless asked i would not mention pronouns at interviews because bringing it up sounds like activism. The vast majority of people really couldn't care less about pronouns but don't necessarily want to deal with an activist who will complain about being treated badly

Ah. the misogyny klaxon just sounded.

What's any of that got to do with identifying as non binary?

So doling the hate out to an even smaller, more marginalised group makes you what? Superior? Feel like you are socking it to the patriarchy?

I think trying to oppress a marginalised group (which includes natal women) makes you just as bad as the men you are railing against. You don’t win by bullying others.

"Tam’s forwarded Tam’s spreadsheet from Tam’s laptop to Tam’s PC.”
“We recommend Tam as your counsellor. Tam is a good listener, Tam really knows Tam’s stuff!

"can someone give Tam some extra training on how to use the "move to" function on file explorer instead of trying to email a laptop?"

"we think Tam who's a great listener and very knowledgeable in this area would be the best counsellor for you"

Meaning? I’m a woman btw, I just don’t like what I’m seeing, it is bullying.

1. Many trans people themselves DENY they have Gender Dysphoria. So you are showing your ignorance there.
2. What 'transitioning' do you imagine they do? You have no idea, do you? Studies show the majority don't even go onto hormones, let alone surgery. Basically they do absolutely nothing but dress differently and then self ID.
3. They are the most CELEBRATED, most powerful, most privileged and most sacred caste. It is really 'in' to be trans.

It's clear, @Msmbc , you have absolutely no idea whatsoever, what actual trans is. You are are so naive and deeply misinformed.

No. I’d assume their transvestism was most likely a sexual fetish and I’d find that repulsive.

No because the whole idea of gender being how you feel, or wear your hair, or wear a skirt, or like pink, is absolute bollocks.
There is no behaviour or feeling that is exclusively male or female. You don’t think today I feel female because I want to do the ironing for fucks sake.
Each and every one of us only knows how we feel. So the way we feel is just us and nothing to do with what our genitalia looks like.

It’s absurd. ‘I must be female because I am far too nurturing and caring to possibly be like all the other males around me’ ?? I despair, it will only end when we stop indulging these entitled twunts.

Life is a lot simpler, in terms of getting a decent job, if you inhale and leave "your whole authentic self" at home/train station.

The Stonewall Diversity Champions chart might help narrow down employment opportunities otherwise.

I can't see why any pronouns other than my/our/you/your could possibly have any need to arise in an interview.

An appropriate introduction would normally be:
Interviewer: hello (name of person), pleased to meet you
Interviewee: Thank-you, please feel free to call me (shortened version of my) name, but I don't mind either way.

Jobseekers need to research their employer and accentuate or tone down their style (be it dress code or language)..

You beat me to it lol

This.

DH is an employer and I know it’d put him off. IMO it’s a decent indicator that someone’s possibly going to be hard work.

Also as there are only two sexes, male and female, it’s absolute nonsense and I’d have no respect for someone who bought into this fantasy.
And as a staunch feminist it would piss me off on a personal level.

Sorry op - I’m sure your child is lovely and it’s shit but there you have it.
Tell them to leave that section blank.

Males (who selfID as transwomen) are not 'marginalised', that is a sick and offensive joke to tell women that men are more 'marginalised' that women. DEEPLY offensive. Transwomen are the most privileged group of all as they have Male Privilege (that they were born with, including having gone through male puberty) as well as the holy Sacred Caste of being trans.

You think people wearing clothes that are cross gender coded are likely to have a sexual fetish? Does that go for women in a man’s suit or only men in ‘women’s’ Clothes?