To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

People will be getting divorced so their child can come from a single parent home!

Rightly or wrongly In the same way that someone who was in the early days of pregnancy probably wouldn’t tell their employer until after they were offered the job I would advise them probably not to mention it until offered the job. At that point they start to have a leg to stand on with any discrimination.

I mean, it’s fine to say their preferred name to the interviewer but the interviewer is only ever going to refer to them as “you” in an interview anyway so they can set them on the right path with the they/them once they begin the job.

Living as a woman has been very clearly defined by the expert in this field, Billy Joel. A woman can

Kill with a smile
Wound with her eyes
Ruin your faith with her casual lies
She only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child
She can lead you to love
She can take you or leave you
She can ask for the truth but she'll never believe you
She'll take what you give her as long as it's free
She steals like a thief
She takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
She never gives out and she never gives in
She just changes her mind
She'll promise you more than the garden of Eden
Then she'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleeding
But she'll bring out the best and the worst you can be
She is frequently kind and she's suddenly cruel
But she can do as she pleases, she's nobody's fool
And she can't be convicted, she's earned her degree
And the most she will do is throw shadows at you

I hope this settles the matter.

It means “look at me”

How on earth does anyone police that on an anonymous site?

Here is Owen Hurcum, presenting as non-binary in a professional workplace (as the mayor).

This.

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I really don't know. But maybe once its known they're male they can do something, like Previously banned posters.

And many of us as the parents of LGB children who may have taken a wrong turn/detour down the T route so have first hand experience of supporting vulnerable, confused children/YP.

In response to a comment above, too, rejecting gender ideology in no way means lack of acceptance of people with gender dysphoria (which OP does not attribute to her child and many self labeled NB and ‘queer’ people do not claim to have).

It is also does not involve denying their existence. As human beings, of course they exist and long may they continue to do so… but as is becoming increasingly obvious, medical and surgical interventions may in fact be the biggest threat to their existence, not eye-rolling ‘terfs’.

And yes, we will continue to eye roll when they announce their pronouns in job interviews.

Just to make sure everyone's clear, @DadJoke is wrong here, has been told why, and continues to misstate the law.

Being non-binary isn't a protected characteristic. It's not in the Equality Act, and neither is there any binding or persuasive case law. One case at the First Tier Tribunal doesn't amount to that, however it identifies.

It's one thing people like DadJoke yarning on about hateful bigots or whatever, people are entitled to their opinions. They're not entitled to their own facts.

I think you are replying to the wrong person. I said nothing about polling organisations, I asked whether respondents to any survey knew that most transwomen do not remove their genitals and explained that my educated son showed confusion, since he thought a transwoman was a woman who identified as a man.
Non-gender conforming is fine, why should one conform to damaging stereotypes? You don't need to wear frocks, high-heels and make-up to be a woman; you don't need to be into motorbikes to be a man. My late DH had no interest in combustion engines, pursued the masculine interests of painting, writing poetry and novels, drinking beer (cask ale, since you ask), liked painting his fingernails blue, wore long hair (and a beard), and wore embroidered, colourful clothes, kaftans, and also three-piece suits, embellished with badges, broaches, butterflies and anything that took his fancy, along with floppy hats, top hats, cowboy hats, fur hats. I rather think he was gender nonconforming, but he was most definitely a man (and father of 4, grandfather of 12, and gt-grandfather of 4).
What do you mean by 'living as a woman' btw?

If they were making a thing about being non binary the moment they walked through the door, that would give me the ick. Why is it relevant? Just interview for the job. Can't imagine going to a job interview and being like oh btw everyone I am a lesbian. It's just not relevant.

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Even then you dont know for sure

Supporting women's rights is not regressive.Opposing transgender rights (almost the entire substance of that forum) is regressive.

You saying words online doesn't make them true.

This is literally what the OP says her daughter does. Something along the lines of Hello, my name is x my pronouns are they/them.

She’s leading her interview with this information. It’s unnecessary and says a lot about her character, much more than just her gender identity.

Because banning and otherwise silencing views you disagree with is so democratic.

It's about a safe space for women to discuss issues, away from men.

What is it that you don't understand about that?

There is persuasive case law - in fact it's the only case law. I even quoted the judgment. Any employer who ignores it, does it at their peril. Aside from that, not employing someone because they a non-binary is deeply stupid of an employer.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed MN is a democracy? The difficulty with the suggestion is that it's impractical, not that this particular forum is under any obligation to provide a forum for any stupid twat to mouth off in.

I wouldn't interview a 'non-binary' person, I'd be fucking offended.
They believe a woman is a gender identity which means conforming to feminine sterotypes and 'performing femininity' (so that men can do it too).
I'm a woman and have had to fight female stereotyping for the past 35 years (to hold a half-decent job in a male-dominated industry).
I am a woman and women don't need to and will not conform to be called a woman.

I wouldn't interview a 'non-binary' person, I'd be fucking offended.
They believe a woman is a gender identity which means conforming to feminine sterotypes and 'performing femininity' (so that men can do it too).
I'm a woman and have had to fight female stereotyping for the past 35 years (to hold a half-decent job in a male-dominated industry).
I am a woman and women don't need to and will not conform to be called a woman.

No… on the other hand sometimes it’s obvious- my DW is butch. ‘Mens’ clothes, shaved head (mostly) etc… she never has to ‘come out’ because she might as well have a flashing dyke sign round her neck 😀.

I imagine that when she rocks up to interviews in a suit and tie some people internally roll their eyes at her “rubbing it in their faces”/“dressing weirdly”/“being look at me”

Oh pal. I know you really like scolding women on here but that's a new low, even for you.

The independent review of the appalling failures at Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, which was in response to the excoriating judgement at a recent Employment Tribunal has been a topic of threads, yes.

Because they were found to have utterly failed rape survivors and refused to even mention another service which offered a single sex service, because of their (ERCC) adherence to a women hating ideology. Questions are being asked in the Scottish Parliament. It's all over Scottish media. It's hardly a niche topic of conversation, only found on here.

I'm assuming you haven't been able to bring yourself to read it yet. Here's a copy -
https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/resources/ERCC-Review-Report-FINAL1-.pdf

HTH

(Edited to remove a duplicate sentence)