To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Oh, there are plenty.

https://lux-magazine.com/article/the-road-to-terfdom/

And here's a gender critical source which agrees:

https://www.thearticle.com/maya-forstater-woke-technocrats-and-the-trans-culture-war

This is just silly. None of these things gives you extra UCAS points.

@EI12
Are you sure that was for the purposes of determining a place on the course, as opposed to just collecting demographic information about applicants?

I know you think this is over the top, but at least not as bad as what I experienced in my first interview - I have long straight hair, worn in a tail and a female (!!!!!) partner said during the interview - you will have to change your hair, long hair looks unprofessional. You will have to cut it. Seriously!!!!

That is a diversity survey and is standard almost everywhere, and does not do anything to change chances of admission, UNLESS they are a poorer state school student applying to a Russell Group uni.

Absolutely 💯 👏👏👏

TRA movements about putting women back in their place and pushing back against feminism. It’s completely misogynistic

I spend a lot of time in our local college of art. All the non binaries look exactly as I have described. It's like a uniform. Look at meeeee I'm sooo different.....oh wait.

Stop with your bullshit. Every single one says they should be supported, just not in groups that are single sex designated. Women have the right to be in groups, spaces and sports without the presence of biological men regardless of how they feel. Front and centre is rape groups.

My exact experience 😂

Actually, that’s not correct, legally. You can read the definition here https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/7

It’s awful legislation and needs to go.

And have you worked with a non binary person in a professional workplace? Or are you basing all your stereotypes on art students?

Hang on! Did you read my post? I asked if respondents to surveys had been told transwomen are usually intact males? I then explained the confusion I found in my DS and suggested that this might be a confusion shared by others. At what point did I SAY that the 'overwhelming majority' feel negatively about transpeople? I didn't but I did say people might be confused and implied that claims either way are suspect - which is the case with the 2021 census, the results of which re transpeople are now listed by the Census as not being reliable.
I think very few people are related to a transperson or know one. I have met 2 transpeople in 30-odd years (someone at a poetry group, and a vet) and known of one other, my late DH's cousin. I think that's quite a lot and most people have never met a transperson. We are talking about .01% of the population at most, after all.

sporting unusual hair colours and facial piercings.

Tbf this goes for a good 75% of under 30’s I know, binary or not, and a fair proportion of the over 30’s too…

Bright hair and nose piercings are REALLY mainstream.

So very tired of men turning up to preach at us and call us TERFS on MN. Don't care.

Frills, heels, head tilts.

I’m womaning wrong. I’m wearing a man’s tracksuit & retiling the bathroom

Ultimately I think the non-binary side of things is irrelevant. It’s the fact they’re making that the 1st and main thing an employer needs to know about them. There is more to them than the fact they are non-binary. They don’t need to make it known to everyone when first meeting them.

I don't believe in "non binary" or "trans". I believe in biological reality. I'm not obliged to validate someone else's delusion. I'm sorry they are mentally ill but it doesn't mean I have to in any way play along with a fantasy or a fetish.

Nor do I have to alter my speech to validate someone else, they can choose to call themselves whatever they like but I won't indulge them by referring to them using their chosen "pronoun".

Bleat as much as you like but most women don't support the rabid trans mob or their offensive and harmful behaviour towards women. Kellie Jay Keen was attacked by a man two days ago, this man was part of the trans rights mob and he has now been arrested and charged with assault. This is what men do to women. Violent misogynistic frothing men who attack women to silence them.

I don't give a shit about you and your opinions or the opinion of anyone who puts "trans" rights above the rights and safety of women and girls. We see the hatred and the violence and the misogyny of trans campaigners and the things that their supporters do to women.

The trans movement is regressive and misogynistic and deeply harmful to women.

No, it is an exercise to monitor who is applying, in order to widen access to medicine. Like when you apply for a job, or attend a hospital appointment, and have to tick your ethnic group and whether you identify as disabled.

That information is separated from your application before it is reviewed by the admissions team, you don’t get extra UCAS point for being Asian or from a single parent family.

What does “living as a woman mean”?

Skirt go spinny and euphoria boners from what I can gather on MtF Reddit.

I read your post, you can’t ignore actual evidence by a polling company you referred to by saying they didn’t ’explain enough’ what a trans person is and have a detailed discussion about their genitals. So unless you have actual evidence rather than just your opinion and feelings, then you are wrong until scientifically proven surveys say otherwise.

I actually think increasingly people now have a friend with a non gender conforming child, or their own child or grandchild. And they see the vitriol and hate spewed by gender critical people, and don’t recognise these stereotypes in their own child. And then like the OP, they become frightened for the life their child may live being accused of being mentally ill, living a fallacy, being a sex predator etc. that their child will face all of this hate and potentially violence against them.

so yes, I think a lot of people are cognisant that this hate could be directed towards someone they love and that doesn’t deserve it.

In fact, as in the case with Mumsnetter Sarah who is taking Brighton Rape Crisis Centre to court, trans women have the right to attend the men’s support group (as they are men), the trans groups, and the women’s group. Women who don’t want to tell their rape story in front of a man don’t have the choice of any group. And it’s regressive against transwomen?!

What motivates a man to constantly push men being in women’s spaces on a predominantly women’s website? You are consistent I’ll give you that. Or to insist men get to attend rape crisis groups with women despite their distress.

Get in the bin.

edited to add - trans people have the same fucking rights as everyone else. What they don’t get is special privileges that are detrimental to other people - women.

This.

I'm all for MN banning anyone male/AMAB or whatever other nonsense penis people have called themselves.

I’m really glad that I live where I live, and work where I work … as no one cares, and people get employed based on their ability to actually do their job.

Keep hating. Must be exhausting. 🤦‍♀️

I’m a woman and your hate an anger towards people I know and love based on nothing but your own stereotypical tropes is exhausting.