To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

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I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Evidence?

Seriously?

Yes sorry op IME you're correct.

Several managers in my company actively find (justifiable) reasons not to shortlist such candidates. I'm not sure if any have left their gender status off their CV and got interviews though. Seems unlikely (leaving their gender ID/pronouns off that is)

I'll admit my heart sinks when I get such a CV in. I'll always interview if they fit the criteria but have been secretly very pleased and relieved when other candidates have been stronger every time.

I would never employ one (not that I am an employer, tbh). People who shove their biology into other people's faces through CVs or dressing weirdly, or non-standard behaviour, they focus on the wrong thing - their precious little selves. They should be focussing on the job, what they can give people, not what they want to receive from them in the form of approval and validation.

Supporting women's rights is not regressive.

Opposing transgender rights (almost the entire substance of that forum) is regressive.

We've had entire threads bemoaning the fact that almost ever single women's rights organisation and RCC supports transgender women, and sometimes even have the cheek to mention them on their websites.

I’ve never used an individual’s pronouns in an interview. I’d be massively unimpressed if they announced them on introduction. I’m not asking anyone to rewrite our policies to change s/he nor creating an additional layer of bureaucracy by adding a NB person to our team. It screams “I’m special”.

I’m on the fence at the moment about hiring a female applicant who has put she/her on her CV. It’s virtue signalling and I just don’t buy into this nonsense.

@DadJoke VICE AS A REF!!! You are outdoing yourself here man, outstanding work 😂😂😂
OMG between you and Keir saying sausages my face hurts from laughing

This tbh. And candidates who brought their parents to the interview. I wasn't considering hiring mum or dad.

Yes I suppose women want to support actual women, not men who think / say they are women. How very dare we!

So you can't actually answer the question I asked then?

I don't think non-binary people are given extra UCAS points!
A pp above made the point about asking for feedback. My DD always does and it has been very helpful. The last job she applied for had 500÷ applications. It's a jungle out there!

We all know 'non binary' people though, because pretty much no-one wholly conforms to male or female stereotypes.

The vast majority of us don't go round announcing this as our 'identity' though.

Are they? Well this is a revelation

#Calls son down 'why don't you give this skater skirt a go daahling'

When 'transgender rights' means women - lose our safe single sex spaces, our sports places, our awards, our jobs; it IS regressive.

Trans rights is Mens Rights Movement.

Ok, so do YOU have any evidence at all for any of that? Because I’ve just looked at various bits of evidence that blow apart your assertion the the ‘overwhelming majority’ of people feel negatively about trans people.

I actually think most people realise that not all trans women remove their penis, and if they do they often take a very long time living as a woman before they do. Because most people probably either know a trans person or are related to one.

dressing weirdly, or non-standard behaviour

Nooooo not the weirdly dressed non standard people!

Yes, seriously. My niece was applying to do medicine and in the questionnaire she had to tick if:

• she came from a migrant background
• she came from a refugee or asylum seeker background
• English was not her first language
• she was care-experienced (lived in a foster family)
• she was from a deprived postcode
• she was from a single parent household
• she was from a British born minority household
• she was LGBTQ+ or non-binary or other minority

All these points were deciding who gets in, as everybody had the same required grades and BMAT

And that’s her straight in the “no” pile…can you really not see it?

And why say “natal” female. She IS FEMALE

I really don’t believe this.

There are limited situations in which universities make lower offers. Trans status is not one.

Serious question- why do you think people here don't know non-binary people? I've met several and they are without exception sporting unusual hair colours and facial piercings. I mean they are comically alike for people trying so hard to be different!

A man who has had cosmetic surgery is still a man
A man in makeup is still a man
A man in frills & heels is still a man.

Human beings cannot change sex.
this whole business is based on outdated regressive stereotypes.

Which university is that? I’d like to look at their admissions criteria.

What does “living as a woman mean”?

Non-binary is the new punk

I wish @DadJoke would stop pretending that non-binary and transgender (specifically transsexual) are the same thing.

Gender reassignment relates to actual medical treatment an individual is receiving or legal change. Calling yourself non-binary is not gender reassignment.