To think that non-binary candidates are more unlikely to be offered a job?

[GinnyPiggie]

I have a non-binary child in their twenties and they are really struggling to secure work.

It might be unfair of me, but I really think that in presenting themselves as non-binary, they are going to struggle to be offered a job with the vast majority of employers. Yes this might be pure discrimination but personally I'd be worried about HR issues and getting sued for saying the wrong thing.

AIBU to think that if you have a range of good candidates, you are going to be reluctant to hire a non-binary candidate because of the potential for issues in the office?

Do they? I just looked at a few and in general more people are either supportive or neutral about trans people, with only 25% saying they felt negatively about trans people. Hardly an overwhelming majority?

It means they're an attention seeking young person who has spent too much time on Reddit and if they're not careful will become a NEET SJW with no life in the real world.

I swear certain Tumblr and Reddit subs have a lot to answer for.

Wow, imagine not seeing the link between women's understanding of the entitled treatment of women by men on the relationships board and women's understanding of the entitled appropriation of womanhood by men on the feminism boards, and thinking Vice is a credible source to back you up!

Bingo!

That puts a spanner in the works doesn't it 😄

I would have no problem employing a trans woman if they’ve had the full surgeries but not a (wo)man in a dress, it’s too much of a minefield. I can respect someone who’s walked the walk but if they’re just talking the talk then no thanks.

It’s weird to think I can right now, out of the blue, declare myself a man or non binary and that’s it, done deal and everyone has to abide by it or else. Utter madness in my book.

In a way it has. Announcing you are 'non-binary' is likely to reveal you as a narcissist, a bad team-player and a nuisance around the loos - which one does she use? - and bloody pronouns. Basically, self-absorbed with mental health problems. No-one wants that in their office. Jobs are quite hard to get, why make it more difficult by acquiring a non-existent 'gender'?
DD needs to wake up and take stock of what she is doing. She's female, she doesn't necessarily like stereotypical 'female' things - nor do most of us. Accepting she is female and gender-nonconforming would be much healthier and help getting jobs. You don't have to totter round in high-heels and false eyelashes to be a woman.

Ummm okay. Not sure we really had a choice. Surely by being aware of the differences and making them conscious we can then work to recognise where we have gone wrong? If they are always unconscious they will never be recognised and addressed….

No surprise that a misogynist site like vice attacks a feminist site like Mumsnet 'terfs' and 'transphobia'. You aren't proving anything here. Except that there are misogynistic femphobic sites that hate feminists having a place to discuss our rights.

Oh well, if we are going down the road of a country that vote for Trunp, where numerous states either ban or severely restrict abortion, where a good proportion of the population believe that Jesus visited America (looking you Mormons), and who prioritise guns over children, then yeah, let’s go down that crazy ass rabbit hole because that’s where I want this country to end up 🙄

What kind of area of work are they interested in?

In my field (creative industries) we positively lap up NB's and have HR targets for various diversity things that are important for funding/grants etc. All sorts of jobs are available in the industry, not just creative ones (organisation have teams for admin, development, finance, marketing etc). I'd recommend it, we'd have them!

Why is supporting womens rights regressive?

They'll also have hair in a really dodgy 'mullet' type style in an overall colour( pink, blue, green) or badly done streaks of said colours. They'll wear baggy clothes in a bid to hide the blindingly obvious fact that they are biological women. The male non binary persons will also dress like this but remain obviously young men. Both types will think we can't tell. We obviously can. . There will be piercings and tattoos which also affect the ability to gain employment. The overwhelming air of 'I am different, I am more interesting than any of you have ever been ' will fill any space they are in.

The thing is, your gender identity is irrelevant to a job application in the vast majority of roles (as is your religion, sexuality, political affiliation etc). So making a point of it in an application process suggests a lack of good judgement and a slightly self-centred attitude which doesn't give a good impression.

Of course management would be reluctant to employ a non binary person. It’s a legal minefield. Who on earth would want the grief of teaching their entire staff how to misuse the grammar rules they have learnt since they were toddlers all for one person who views themselves as grammatically plural?

May have already been said, but, has your child asked for feedback, each time? The lack of success may be for some entirely different reason.

Were they told that most Transwomen do not have surgery and are intact males?
Also, many are confused. I had a revealing conversation with DS (46) the other week. Trans came up. He constantly said 'transwomen' were fine. I said but that means you are allowing men in...it emerged that he thought 'transwomen' were women who thought they were men and that allowing women who thought they were men into women's spaces were what I was objecting to. He's educated, in a high-paying job and articulate! And he found great difficulty understanding that when I said 'transwomen' I meant men who think they are women. I don't think he accepted that transwomen are men, and we left it - which means if he does a survey about transwomen in female spaces he will say it's fine (because transwomen are biological women who think they are men).

@DadJoke you say “LGBT Parents threads asking for help get dogpiled by GC people”.

I think what you’ll find is that nearly everyone is GC when it comes to children. Anyone with sense can see that it’s nonsense (and harmful) to think a child is ‘trans’.

I think that’s why I have no tolerance of non binary and the they/them nonsense, it’s just so self absorbed and narcissistic. I don’t think oh gay people they’re so self obsessed, I don’t think that either of people who have undergone surgical reassignment but I do think it of non-binary, pronoun obsessed people.

You ain’t that special just like the rest of us.

Out of interest- what about a biological male, who ‘identifies’ as male, uses him/he, uses the male name they we given, uses the men’s bathroom etc, but just happens to be wearing a skirt?

or a woman with all the same caveats but who turns up to interview in a masculine cut suit and tie and a ‘man’s’ haircut?

how would you feel about employing them?

The TRA movement is far more regressive pandering to gender stereotypes and prioritising the patriarchy over safeguarding of women and girls.

Non-binary candidates have a field day at uni admissions - they literally overtake any biologically normal child, because they are given extra UCAS points. It is only fair that there should be payback time at some point later on, so yes, I think they are avoided by the employers.

'I am different and special. Everyone must pander to me lest I be offended.'

Narcissistic nightmare to have around. No thank you.

Ok, I’m done. You lot are grim people, I’ll wait for you to all go back to the feminist pages so you can all whip yourselves into a trans hating frenzy in the privacy of your own chat forum.

So much nonsense. I don’t recognise any of what you have said, and I actually know non binary people, which you clearly don’t. I dunno where your stereotyping comes from, but you sound like a Morden equivalent of Alf Garnet, philosophising about people you don’t know.

Yes, there was a UK article in the last year that showed 1/3 people in the UK think transwomen are biological actual women (and not males with penis and testicles), so, when people are educated what 'transwoman' actually means - a biological, intact, full male, of course their attitude changes. So one third of all people don't realise transwoman means (mostly) fully intact actual males. I dare anyone who disagrees to ask random people in public if an intact male should be in the ladies, or in ladies' changerooms.

I think we all know what the OVERWHELMING majority of responses will say...

And these posters know it too.

Why are they given extra UCAS points? 😳