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To tell Children's Services it is a malicious referal from school

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 21:48

So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

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SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 21:31

Glad someone linked Spectrum Gaming.

This is also a really useful website @UndertheCedartree

autisticgirlsnetwork.org

SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 21:51

I don't know how you did it. When DS was that little and his SEN school started to become adversarial when he was screaming and self harming about school, I took him out. The pressure I was already feeling was immense, and it hadn't got anywhere near the level of conflict and denial you describe.

The utterly awful thing was, he was non verbal and couldn't tell me what was wrong. For years I had thought (but was unable to even make a coherent accusation because I had literally no evidence) that someone may have abused him in school. His reaction was so extreme. It was only when he went to a second special school and the same thing happened where he was slightly verbal and the school were honest with me etc that I realised it was a reaction to school itself.

That sounds incredibly difficult @BackForABit . How distressing for both you and him. Very disheartening that even in a special school the provision was still inappropriate to the extent that it made him suffer that level of distress.

I am not sure how I did it either. I suppose just by having no choice. I am a lone parent so have to work or the mortgage wouldn't be paid and we'd lose everything so I could not pull her out. Leaving for another school would have caused yet more harm to her and her brother because they are at school - deliberately - with friends they have known since they were babies. And why should they be driven out of an otherwise good school with nice class teachers and solid friendships by a malicious Head and incompetent SENCO? And no local schools had places available anyway, and no EHCPs yet (still in progress with school obstructing). So I had no other option than to fight them. It has trashed my health though, I still haven't recovered and if they do similar again I don't think I'll be able to cope physically or mentally.

You cannot win. If the child masks at school like mine then it must be an issue at home, even if documented in reports. If the child has outbursts at school it must be bad parenting. If you do nothing then it's neglectful. If you fight for the child's rights they'll report you to SS like they did to OP and to me and others in the thread, to try to deflect blame because apparently this means you're neglecting the child, to keep them at home when the school has made them ill and they need safeguarding while they recover. If I could clone myself and homeschool I would but we need money to live on so I must work, and care for two children with disabilities, and effectively do a third full time job as well of fighting these incompetent morons constantly just to try to get them to do their jobs and stop preventing children accessing their education.

A special place in hell should be reserved for all of these bullies, I hope,

stichguru · 25/09/2024 22:07

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 21:48

So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

Be factual about what's happening and why your relationship with school is difficult. Don't tell Children's Services it was a "malicious referral".

  1. that's exactly what a parent who was trying to hide something would say
  2. it's difficult to prove
  3. Children's services will have a good idea of the kind of support your DD should receive at school, when they hear what has been happening at school, they will probably work it out!
  4. You never know Children's Services might be able to help you or put some pressure on school to help more, so don't give them a reason trust school more than you.
SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 22:08

What is crazy is that at a meeting about an autistic and anxious DC the SENCo wasn't able to speak and the mental health lead wasn't even invited. Instead the person making all the decisions about my DC is a headteacher who thinks coloring is 'babysitting.' She really needs to stay within her scope of expertise.

Also, with this type of stuff, I've now reached the point of "oh, that's remarkable! I had no idea that neurodevelopmental paediatricians were now being employed as Head Teachers, that's great news. Where did you go to medical school? Let me know you're availability and I'll liaise with DD's neurodevelopmental paediatrician so that you can discuss her diagnosis report and any matters stated therein that you dispute."

SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 22:09

*your!

Sorry. Too tired. Time to clear up the house and finish up work and go to bed. Grin

BackForABit · 26/09/2024 07:27

@SunriseMonsters yeah, we were just so lucky DH was earning modest income. We will rent forever because I can't work though (that DC now doesn't even have a school place after special school #2 asked him to leave and council can't find anywhere else). I'm also so sorry you had to go through it all, but particularly with no way of walking away.

The funny thing was the first school were so inconsistent with what they were saying, first it was no problem in school, then it was them phoning me every day over behaviour, then they didn't have time to fill in a mood diary, then I begged them because he was non verbal and it kept coming back with 'very sad' so obviously I asked for more information and they said "oh no, he was fine". They ignored me asking for an Ed Psych repeatedly. Finally I asked for an early annual review and the only thing they 'offered' was a support worker visiting us at home. At the point I was like 'but he's fine with home he just hates school?' I genuinely didn't understand how it would help. They didn't refer to SS in the end (possibly because I'd removed him) but I did a SAR and they had called me obstructive re the support worker home visit and insinuated I was hiding something at home. I've had so many professionals in my house: Portage, HV, specialist HV, SALT, OT etc etc... It was eye opening to be a parent on the other side after being a teacher.

Babsexxx · 26/09/2024 09:28

SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 21:20

It's good that you've been honest with her. I think a meeting in person is good if she wants to visit you and DD at home. The social worker who got involved after our school referred to them spent ten minutes here and had a cup of tea (she said usually we decline, but here I think it will be fine!) and when she saw my happy children andthe fridge stuffed with food and their trampoline and swings and climbing frame and all of their toys and craft boxes and lego and holiday photos and talked to them with them saying how much they love home and showing her their bedrooms and talking about all of their extracurricular activities etc, and DD picking her a bunch of flowers from the garden, she very quickly said "lovely as this has been, I have to go and see some other children now" and told the Head not to waste their time again because they have at-risk children to see.

What makes me angry is that say I didn't happen to have a good job so I can provide a a lovely 4 bedroom house and pay for OFSTED registered nannies for wrap around/ school holidays (my children can't cope with group childcare on top of school so I have to pay £3k per month childcare costs plus my mortgage), what then? What about the lone parent who is just as much of a loving parent as me but doesn't have the nannies etc who see the children's home life to back up what they are telling SS when such malicious referrals about "neglect" are made by a school wanting the blame the parent when they have traumatised the child?

But in our case, her visiting us really helped because she could see immediately how totally ridiculous the Head's claims were. Yeah, this neglectful parent who can't be bothered to send her to school but whose son is still attending every day, very mysterious. Who pays for private operations etc because the NHS may as well not exist. Clearly I don't care for her at all...

No apology from the idiotic Head though, still, of course. No modelling of appropriate behaviour to children, and admitting when you have made a huge mistake. All just misogynistic assumptions about their life because I'm a lone parent. He asked me which floor our flat is on. Nothing wrong with living in a flat but why assume we do? Because I'm a lone parent. He said how hard their life must be with me struggling on benefits and if I need help with benefit applications. Clueless that I am an economist and chartered accountant and earn far more than him. These idiots really do exist and think that their prejudices and stereotypes trump medical evidence.

I don't think you're wrong to show emotion. You are not a robot. But I would keep all communication factual and just call out the gaslighting, in writing, every single time it happens. Muster your rage at what they've done to your DD and channel it into cool, calm but absolutely firm refusal to accept any more bullshit. Being autistic we have had a lifetime of conditioning of trying to "fit in" and people please and they will use this against you and manipulate you, knowing that you will take what they say at face value. Then deny is later, as you said. It's completely exhausting, I really feel for you. And the prospect of another ten years or so of this fills me with absolute dread.

I also downloaded a call recording app that transcribes conversations. Every time I speak to LA/ school by phone I use this now and tell them at the start of the call it is being used to take minutes so nobody has to write them up. That way they have been informed and cannot reasonably object, and their little game of denial cannot continue.

It really is a shambles to have to treat people who are meant to be professionals in this way but they have forced you into this situation and it sounds like you've been nothing but reasonable and constructive so you do have to fight for her and not be embarrassed to do so. She is so lucky to have a parent who understands and protects her, unlike many of us who are not autistic adults when we were growing up.

It's just a shame that education is still littered with so many discriminatory, ignorant and vindictive people. To call you erratic for being emotional watching discrimination harming your child? What planet are they on? Do they not realise autistic children grow up into autistic adults, who ALSO need reasonable adjustments? Explicitly make this point to them. Gaslighting you, lying and moving the goalposts continually is the opposite of that. Don't forget that they are required by law to make reasonable adjustments as well for how they interact with you as DD's parent.

My DD is a little better now, thanks for asking. She is back in school and obnoxious Head has been removed from the situation, though sadly not from the school. But the school is still obstructing her EHCP. SENCO still refusing to communicate but they were eventually forced by a senior member of Council staff to implement provision for her to at least be able to attend safely again. Those 3 months she was off were hell though. I am a lone parent so have to work, and have no childcare in school hours. They refused to provide work for her so I had to look up the curriculum myself, home school her in the daytime and do my full time job at night and sleep 1-2 hrs per day, with her getting increasingly distressed because they refused to even talk about solutions.

I honestly don't know these people sleep at night.

Yes this! I think what everyone needs to remember is social services are there for genuine welfare concerns and abuse! Not having a child with disabilities, the social worker I saw couldn’t give me any further advice or help because I’d already accessed everything I could.

Really sad that children with disabilities parents are so heavily scrutinised when they literally have enough to deal with! Once I’d ended the initial assessment with ss they said would you like us to come around like a continued support? Lol no thanks! Like I don’t have enough appointments and things to deal with…up all night with asd head banger cleaning up literal shit and trying to run my business!

People don’t realise that when your raising disabled children in my case x3 disabled kids you have enough on your plate with all various appointments without the worry and stress of more popping around for a unhelpful chit chat and unsolicited advise as ss aren’t qualified in children with disabilities! Like I said they are there for genuine welfare concerns schools contacting them repeatedly trying to off roll children so that parents think “I can’t take this anymore and pull them out!”. Is ABUSING the social service system! Fact!

sunshine244 · 26/09/2024 09:49

Babsexxx · 26/09/2024 09:28

Yes this! I think what everyone needs to remember is social services are there for genuine welfare concerns and abuse! Not having a child with disabilities, the social worker I saw couldn’t give me any further advice or help because I’d already accessed everything I could.

Really sad that children with disabilities parents are so heavily scrutinised when they literally have enough to deal with! Once I’d ended the initial assessment with ss they said would you like us to come around like a continued support? Lol no thanks! Like I don’t have enough appointments and things to deal with…up all night with asd head banger cleaning up literal shit and trying to run my business!

People don’t realise that when your raising disabled children in my case x3 disabled kids you have enough on your plate with all various appointments without the worry and stress of more popping around for a unhelpful chit chat and unsolicited advise as ss aren’t qualified in children with disabilities! Like I said they are there for genuine welfare concerns schools contacting them repeatedly trying to off roll children so that parents think “I can’t take this anymore and pull them out!”. Is ABUSING the social service system! Fact!

There are usually two sides to social services for children: child protection team and child disabilities team.

Perhaps this isn't the case everywhere, but here the disability SW team have access to a lot of resources. My autistic child was referred to specialist projects locally that wouldn't have been available otherwise. They are in charge of budgets for things like social inclusion, respite care etc. You can request a disability needs assessment and that provides a legal framework for extra support (e.g. a budget for inclusion activities, respite care, support to access mainstream activities etc). All the parents I know with kids with disabilities actively want social services involved as they are the main route to support outside school.

UndertheCedartree · 26/09/2024 09:57

SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 21:20

It's good that you've been honest with her. I think a meeting in person is good if she wants to visit you and DD at home. The social worker who got involved after our school referred to them spent ten minutes here and had a cup of tea (she said usually we decline, but here I think it will be fine!) and when she saw my happy children andthe fridge stuffed with food and their trampoline and swings and climbing frame and all of their toys and craft boxes and lego and holiday photos and talked to them with them saying how much they love home and showing her their bedrooms and talking about all of their extracurricular activities etc, and DD picking her a bunch of flowers from the garden, she very quickly said "lovely as this has been, I have to go and see some other children now" and told the Head not to waste their time again because they have at-risk children to see.

What makes me angry is that say I didn't happen to have a good job so I can provide a a lovely 4 bedroom house and pay for OFSTED registered nannies for wrap around/ school holidays (my children can't cope with group childcare on top of school so I have to pay £3k per month childcare costs plus my mortgage), what then? What about the lone parent who is just as much of a loving parent as me but doesn't have the nannies etc who see the children's home life to back up what they are telling SS when such malicious referrals about "neglect" are made by a school wanting the blame the parent when they have traumatised the child?

But in our case, her visiting us really helped because she could see immediately how totally ridiculous the Head's claims were. Yeah, this neglectful parent who can't be bothered to send her to school but whose son is still attending every day, very mysterious. Who pays for private operations etc because the NHS may as well not exist. Clearly I don't care for her at all...

No apology from the idiotic Head though, still, of course. No modelling of appropriate behaviour to children, and admitting when you have made a huge mistake. All just misogynistic assumptions about their life because I'm a lone parent. He asked me which floor our flat is on. Nothing wrong with living in a flat but why assume we do? Because I'm a lone parent. He said how hard their life must be with me struggling on benefits and if I need help with benefit applications. Clueless that I am an economist and chartered accountant and earn far more than him. These idiots really do exist and think that their prejudices and stereotypes trump medical evidence.

I don't think you're wrong to show emotion. You are not a robot. But I would keep all communication factual and just call out the gaslighting, in writing, every single time it happens. Muster your rage at what they've done to your DD and channel it into cool, calm but absolutely firm refusal to accept any more bullshit. Being autistic we have had a lifetime of conditioning of trying to "fit in" and people please and they will use this against you and manipulate you, knowing that you will take what they say at face value. Then deny is later, as you said. It's completely exhausting, I really feel for you. And the prospect of another ten years or so of this fills me with absolute dread.

I also downloaded a call recording app that transcribes conversations. Every time I speak to LA/ school by phone I use this now and tell them at the start of the call it is being used to take minutes so nobody has to write them up. That way they have been informed and cannot reasonably object, and their little game of denial cannot continue.

It really is a shambles to have to treat people who are meant to be professionals in this way but they have forced you into this situation and it sounds like you've been nothing but reasonable and constructive so you do have to fight for her and not be embarrassed to do so. She is so lucky to have a parent who understands and protects her, unlike many of us who are not autistic adults when we were growing up.

It's just a shame that education is still littered with so many discriminatory, ignorant and vindictive people. To call you erratic for being emotional watching discrimination harming your child? What planet are they on? Do they not realise autistic children grow up into autistic adults, who ALSO need reasonable adjustments? Explicitly make this point to them. Gaslighting you, lying and moving the goalposts continually is the opposite of that. Don't forget that they are required by law to make reasonable adjustments as well for how they interact with you as DD's parent.

My DD is a little better now, thanks for asking. She is back in school and obnoxious Head has been removed from the situation, though sadly not from the school. But the school is still obstructing her EHCP. SENCO still refusing to communicate but they were eventually forced by a senior member of Council staff to implement provision for her to at least be able to attend safely again. Those 3 months she was off were hell though. I am a lone parent so have to work, and have no childcare in school hours. They refused to provide work for her so I had to look up the curriculum myself, home school her in the daytime and do my full time job at night and sleep 1-2 hrs per day, with her getting increasingly distressed because they refused to even talk about solutions.

I honestly don't know these people sleep at night.

I can't believe they are still not supporting the EHCP!

I know what you mean about stereotypes - when I had my breakdown I was always without fail asked if I had a council house or rented privately. I actually had a mortgage.

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UndertheCedartree · 26/09/2024 10:04

SunriseMonsters · 25/09/2024 22:08

What is crazy is that at a meeting about an autistic and anxious DC the SENCo wasn't able to speak and the mental health lead wasn't even invited. Instead the person making all the decisions about my DC is a headteacher who thinks coloring is 'babysitting.' She really needs to stay within her scope of expertise.

Also, with this type of stuff, I've now reached the point of "oh, that's remarkable! I had no idea that neurodevelopmental paediatricians were now being employed as Head Teachers, that's great news. Where did you go to medical school? Let me know you're availability and I'll liaise with DD's neurodevelopmental paediatrician so that you can discuss her diagnosis report and any matters stated therein that you dispute."

Love it!

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 26/09/2024 10:07

UndertheCedartree · 25/09/2024 14:15

I am really concerned at her lack of sleep and that she will end up having a breakdown. But with a 12 week wait for CAMHS I don't feel like I really know what to do for the best. How long should she rest for? Should I try doing any work with her? Should I just let her lie in bed all day? And I'm finding her crying and negativity and meltdowns are getting to me. I know it's not her fault but this is tough.

I am autistic and have been in autistic burnout 3 times in my life, and each time I have taken months away to recover and I still don't think it was enough. I definitely felt pressure to go resume normal duties as soon as I started acting or feeling any semblance of normal.

I'm actually off sick now, having quit my job yesterday, in autistic burnout and have been off for 8 months this time.

I'm really sorry because I don't have any advice on how this was handled in school.

I do follow SEND reform and have seen information from them that if your child misses 5 or 15 days (can't remember the exact number) of school because of poor mental health or emotionally based school avoidance the LA are legally obligated to find alternative provision which can include tutoring at home. You do have to write in sometimes and really know your laws and your rights.

IPSEA might be a good place to signpost you if you've not contacted them already.

It really helps to make sure you're registered with a GP who will advocate for your daughter with sick notes and who understands the long term complications of burnout which aren't just mental, but physical too. It sounds like the professionals in her life are actually very understanding and I am perhaps cautiously optimistic that the SS referral might also benefit your DD in the way that they're another professional voice that can speak to and direct the LA alongside you.

Babsexxx · 26/09/2024 12:34

sunshine244 · 26/09/2024 09:49

There are usually two sides to social services for children: child protection team and child disabilities team.

Perhaps this isn't the case everywhere, but here the disability SW team have access to a lot of resources. My autistic child was referred to specialist projects locally that wouldn't have been available otherwise. They are in charge of budgets for things like social inclusion, respite care etc. You can request a disability needs assessment and that provides a legal framework for extra support (e.g. a budget for inclusion activities, respite care, support to access mainstream activities etc). All the parents I know with kids with disabilities actively want social services involved as they are the main route to support outside school.

Yes they do here, but the school don’t make it clear that they are doing it for assistance purposes if you may need the help, in my experience it’s been malicious! It’s always landed on me having a disagreement with the school. But thankfully every single time I wasn’t happy with the outcome I contacted the council sen team and inclusions teams.

And everytime I did The school contacted ss and believe me it didn’t take long for them to connect the dots! ss didn’t have any concerns with me but they did express concerns with the school for unnecessarily contacting them for voicing my concerns. The school where not sticking to the ehc plan in place they knew they’d get in hot water over it,it was purely retaliation tactics and off rolling!

UndertheCedartree · 27/09/2024 23:15

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 26/09/2024 10:07

I am autistic and have been in autistic burnout 3 times in my life, and each time I have taken months away to recover and I still don't think it was enough. I definitely felt pressure to go resume normal duties as soon as I started acting or feeling any semblance of normal.

I'm actually off sick now, having quit my job yesterday, in autistic burnout and have been off for 8 months this time.

I'm really sorry because I don't have any advice on how this was handled in school.

I do follow SEND reform and have seen information from them that if your child misses 5 or 15 days (can't remember the exact number) of school because of poor mental health or emotionally based school avoidance the LA are legally obligated to find alternative provision which can include tutoring at home. You do have to write in sometimes and really know your laws and your rights.

IPSEA might be a good place to signpost you if you've not contacted them already.

It really helps to make sure you're registered with a GP who will advocate for your daughter with sick notes and who understands the long term complications of burnout which aren't just mental, but physical too. It sounds like the professionals in her life are actually very understanding and I am perhaps cautiously optimistic that the SS referral might also benefit your DD in the way that they're another professional voice that can speak to and direct the LA alongside you.

I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you can have the space to recover.

I've been reading all the symptoms of autistic burnout and have realised not only is my daughter experiencing it, I am too. I feel horrendous, tbh.

The attendance team are continuing to do what they can to pressure me and hurt my daughter. They have escalated our case to 'level 3' and threatening to take me to court and wants to come into my home and explain to me my legal duty to send my daughter to school!!

But today I had the social worker phone to say she had completed her assessment and could see no safeguarding concerns so was closing the case. So at least that's one less thing to worry about.

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WalkingaroundJardine · 27/09/2024 23:24

That’s good news. The school looks an bit idiotic now with such a fast closure of their case.

BackForABit · 28/09/2024 07:53

Could you ask the school to set out in writing exactly how to force her? Will you be expected to drag or carry a teenager and use physical force? Ask them to set out the idea that you wait in reception in writing.

CableCar · 28/09/2024 08:10

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:50

I can assure you off rolling is a very common practice. I've seen it in action at 3 other schools as well as ours.

Yes she has a diagnosis of ASD and Anxiety. There has been no plan in place as yet. School are unhappy that I won't agree to a plan meaning I sit with her in reception all day. DD needs an EHCP but school isn't able to support my request as they have no plan...It's a mess. I have no problem engaging with school but it is crazy hard to get any communication and the SENCo is permanently unavailable as is the mental health lead.

School are unhappy that I won't agree to a plan meaning I sit with her in reception all day. DD needs an EHCP but school isn't able to support my request as they have no plan...It's a mess. I have no problem engaging with school but it is crazy hard to get any communication and the SENCo is permanently unavailable as is the mental health lead.

I think the wisest thing to do would be to go along to any meetings they request, rather than just refuse to go. At least then you can take a speech recorder to record the meeting as evidence of your cooperation and you can ensure you have understood everything that's being discussed.

You can start the process for an EHCP yourself - or at least you can in our county. If you have all the evidence from the Ed psych etc I'd say go for it and start the process. They'll be informed about their need to do your application stuff and they can start gathering evidence. You do however need to go to meetings and work with the school!

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 28/09/2024 08:17

Haven’t RTFT but Is it maybe the Children with Disabilities team so you access support for your daughter rather than the child protection team?

Warmwoolytights · 28/09/2024 09:24

CableCar · 28/09/2024 08:10

School are unhappy that I won't agree to a plan meaning I sit with her in reception all day. DD needs an EHCP but school isn't able to support my request as they have no plan...It's a mess. I have no problem engaging with school but it is crazy hard to get any communication and the SENCo is permanently unavailable as is the mental health lead.

I think the wisest thing to do would be to go along to any meetings they request, rather than just refuse to go. At least then you can take a speech recorder to record the meeting as evidence of your cooperation and you can ensure you have understood everything that's being discussed.

You can start the process for an EHCP yourself - or at least you can in our county. If you have all the evidence from the Ed psych etc I'd say go for it and start the process. They'll be informed about their need to do your application stuff and they can start gathering evidence. You do however need to go to meetings and work with the school!

You haven’t read the thread or even understood this one post.

NowImNotDoingIt · 28/09/2024 10:11

@UndertheCedartree have SS offered any advice or support or just dropped it?

UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 19:20

BackForABit · 28/09/2024 07:53

Could you ask the school to set out in writing exactly how to force her? Will you be expected to drag or carry a teenager and use physical force? Ask them to set out the idea that you wait in reception in writing.

The reception thing is in writing. Her Learning mentor will come down to get her. If she can't go with her after 15 minutes she stays with me. If she can I have to stay in reception so that if DD can't go to her first lesson she comes back to me. If she puts her head on her desk in class (she does this when overwhelmed) it's back to reception. If she can't go to any of her lessons it's back to reception with me! She doesn't even trust her Learning mentor anymore as she makes a plan with her and then the attendance officer interferes and tries forcing her to lessons. So the plan means she would sit all day in reception with me.

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UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 19:29

CableCar · 28/09/2024 08:10

School are unhappy that I won't agree to a plan meaning I sit with her in reception all day. DD needs an EHCP but school isn't able to support my request as they have no plan...It's a mess. I have no problem engaging with school but it is crazy hard to get any communication and the SENCo is permanently unavailable as is the mental health lead.

I think the wisest thing to do would be to go along to any meetings they request, rather than just refuse to go. At least then you can take a speech recorder to record the meeting as evidence of your cooperation and you can ensure you have understood everything that's being discussed.

You can start the process for an EHCP yourself - or at least you can in our county. If you have all the evidence from the Ed psych etc I'd say go for it and start the process. They'll be informed about their need to do your application stuff and they can start gathering evidence. You do however need to go to meetings and work with the school!

I have been to every meeting. The one last week I asked to record the meeting. They said they'd record it on Teams. But surprise, surprise, they've still not sent me the recording a week.later!

As I said I have applied for an EHCNA but the LA turned it down as the school couldn't supply evidence that they'd put a proper plan into place.

Where have I said I don't go to meetings or work with the school?? The issue is the school need to work with me and my DD. We are going to have a team around the Child meeting without the school, though, so we can stick to the agenda and allow people to talk.

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UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 19:31

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 28/09/2024 08:17

Haven’t RTFT but Is it maybe the Children with Disabilities team so you access support for your daughter rather than the child protection team?

No sadly not. It wasn't about us being able to access support. The Head actually said she was 'reporting me'!

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UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 19:36

NowImNotDoingIt · 28/09/2024 10:11

@UndertheCedartree have SS offered any advice or support or just dropped it?

They've just dropped it.

The access and inclusion team have refered us to a new team of specialist teachers. They have an ASD specialist. The school nurse is doing the referal for the programme at the community garden. I phoned and spoke to them and the told me they weren't 'alternative provision' so not sure if it counts as section 19 provision or not?

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BackForABit · 28/09/2024 19:54

UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 19:20

The reception thing is in writing. Her Learning mentor will come down to get her. If she can't go with her after 15 minutes she stays with me. If she can I have to stay in reception so that if DD can't go to her first lesson she comes back to me. If she puts her head on her desk in class (she does this when overwhelmed) it's back to reception. If she can't go to any of her lessons it's back to reception with me! She doesn't even trust her Learning mentor anymore as she makes a plan with her and then the attendance officer interferes and tries forcing her to lessons. So the plan means she would sit all day in reception with me.

That's actually crazy, what a ridiculous 'plan' they've come up with there. I hope they feel silly when it gets referred to later down the line.

UndertheCedartree · 28/09/2024 21:00

BackForABit · 28/09/2024 19:54

That's actually crazy, what a ridiculous 'plan' they've come up with there. I hope they feel silly when it gets referred to later down the line.

I hope so too.

What I find unbelievable is the attendance woman at the LA actually thought it was a suitable plan! Just shows for her it is solely about getting the child through the door. It doesn't matter about their wellbeing, it doesn't matter if they get an education - they just have to attend so shr can tick her box. I'm actually so angry. I feel like making a complaint but look where that got me with the school. I escalated to the governors about 7 weeks ago now (minus the summer holidays) and they've still not looked into it. What is the point of a complaints procedure if noone actually follows it!

So after I forwarded the email from the SEN department at the LA to the attendance woman which said it was reasonable to keep my DD off school until a plan could be put into place and the attendance department confirmed the letter from the GP would cover it, she changed from saying DD's absence should be unauthorised to it should be authorised up until the meeting but then as there was a suitable plan put in place after that it should be unauthorised. Completely missing that the plan hadn't changed, it was the same unreasonable one that was in place at the beginning of term! Now that the access and inclusion team have told her the 'plan needs to be looked at again' to ensure it is suitable for DD she is asking me what my expectations are and what level of support is needed. I've told her my expectation is that my DD's needs are met and she gets the required level of support to achieve that. Beyond that I said we need the advice of professionals as to how to achieve that. I pointed out that was the point of the team around the Child meeting that the Head sabotaged and as she wouldn't follow the agenda or let anyone else speak we didn't get to discuss the Ed Psych report etc or hear from the SENco etc.

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