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To tell Children's Services it is a malicious referal from school

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 21:48

So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

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user1474315215 · 20/09/2024 21:52

I would be extremely surprised if school was acting maliciously.

Edingril · 20/09/2024 21:54

What relevant bits are you missing out

Sirzy · 20/09/2024 21:54

I think your best to let them investigate and come to their own conclusions. Finger pointing may make it look like your trying to hide something

DoreenonTill8 · 20/09/2024 21:55

Why would the school want to do this?

Gazelda · 20/09/2024 21:56

What year is she in?

What extra support do you want her to have? Why isn't it being provided?

SilverDoe · 20/09/2024 21:57

What is the referral based on?

You are saying that they are not implementing proper support for your child, why do you think the referral is not to facilitate this support and is instead a slight against you?

Ifoughthefight · 20/09/2024 21:58

What is the whole situation at home? Married, happy life, involved husband, other siblings? Do you read to her, what was the complaint?

How much support you requested for her needs? How many meetings you had with the teachers, SENCO and head teachers? What was the content of your complaint?

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 20/09/2024 21:58

You can tell them anything you like. They're not obligated to believe you.

AbitOfProblem · 20/09/2024 22:02

I'm so sorry this is happening to you OP. It happened to us too. All you can do is explain the truth about things at home in a great deal of detail, and the problems you've had with school, and they will be fine about it. I had to do this with multiple services but they all understood and finally the statutory assessment team helped to fix it after we got an ECHP.

SilverDoe · 20/09/2024 22:06

OP, I don't think there is anything wrong with giving your side to SS.

However, I wouldn't go around saying the school are being deliberately malicious, it might look a bit weird. That's just my opinion.

Also just to reiterate my first post, are you sure you have not misinterpreted their referral and is it possible it is in fact to get the support your DD needs? For example, if they are referring due to low attendance, maybe it's because there isn't much they can do about that without support outside of school?

KerryBlues · 20/09/2024 22:07

AbitOfProblem · 20/09/2024 22:02

I'm so sorry this is happening to you OP. It happened to us too. All you can do is explain the truth about things at home in a great deal of detail, and the problems you've had with school, and they will be fine about it. I had to do this with multiple services but they all understood and finally the statutory assessment team helped to fix it after we got an ECHP.

You don’t know that “they’ll be fine about it”, because you don’t know what the issues are.
The school are vanishingly unlikely to have made a malicious complaint 😳

Octavia64 · 20/09/2024 22:08

SS will investigate to the level
They think appropriate whether you say it is malicious or not.

You are wasting your breath.

Sassybooklover · 20/09/2024 22:10

I work in a school and can assure you schools do not refer parents/children to social services, without very good reason. There are strict procedures they have to follow, concerns are logged and schools engage with parents in the first instance. Unless a child is at immediate risk, social services would not just be called for trivial matters. Schools don't try to 'oust' children, because a parent wants extra support put in place! What kind of support does you daughter need? Does she have an Educational Plan? Is there are formal 'diagnosis'? You need to engage with the school and if necessary social services.

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:11

user1474315215 · 20/09/2024 21:52

I would be extremely surprised if school was acting maliciously.

I can't think what else they are doing. How is it my fault they don't/can't meet her needs at school? But if they do this they think I'll take her put of the school.

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AgainandagainandagainSS · 20/09/2024 22:11

Schools don't just refer to SS 'cause they don't like someone'. They will have to back it up with evidence that you are not meeting your child's needs in some way.
What were you moaning to them about? How did you do it (was it polite and professional or aggressive)?

TimelyIntervention · 20/09/2024 22:12

Don’t say it’s malicious. It just won’t help. Have a detailed, factual record, everything described, quoted and dated. Give that to childrens services and work with them.

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:14

Edingril · 20/09/2024 21:54

What relevant bits are you missing out

She has autism and I have to go and get her from school as she is so distressed. When I pick her up she is in a right state - shaking, self harming, crying, nose bleeds.

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veritasverity · 20/09/2024 22:14

Have they referred you due to poor attendance e.g your dd is school refusing and school feel you're not doing enough to get her in through the door?

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:16

Sirzy · 20/09/2024 21:54

I think your best to let them investigate and come to their own conclusions. Finger pointing may make it look like your trying to hide something

That's what I was trying to decide. I didn't know whether I should pre-empt it or let them see it for themselves. I have plenty of proof of DD's issues - Ed psych report, report from child development centre, GP etc.

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ExtraOnions · 20/09/2024 22:17

Are they referring to “early support” .. we went through that when DD had EBSA, they were alright to be fair

Wasywasydoodah · 20/09/2024 22:17

They probably won’t believe you.

SilverDoe · 20/09/2024 22:19

It sounds like your DD needs the referral - that's not a poor reflection on you, the school are probably struggling as that sounds really extreme. How would your DD get additional help and support if not through SS? Sorry if that's a silly question

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:19

DoreenonTill8 · 20/09/2024 21:55

Why would the school want to do this?

So they don't have to spend money on providing her with the support she needs and/or don't have to admit to disability discrimination.

I know 3 other parents with ASD DC in the same year (Y8) at different schools. None of them are in school anymore. It is very common to be off rolled.

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TwinklyAmberOrca · 20/09/2024 22:19

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:14

She has autism and I have to go and get her from school as she is so distressed. When I pick her up she is in a right state - shaking, self harming, crying, nose bleeds.

So some support would therefore surely be a good thing?!?!?!

ThisBlueCrab · 20/09/2024 22:22

@UndertheCedartree take a step back. What have the school actually said?

If it was a safeguarding referral they are not allowed to disclose to you that it has been made. Which suggests what they are actually referring you to it early intervention support.

If this is what they have discussed, then they are trying to get the support for dd. This is one of the first steps in getting an EHCP which opens up the funding for additional support.

There is clearly more to this because I don't understand why you have such a hostile attitude to the school.

There is very limited support they can give without the funding, school budgets are being stretched far worse than that of the NHS except it gets less pressure and poor teachers just get an absolute bashing.

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