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To tell Children's Services it is a malicious referal from school

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 21:48

So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

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NonsuchCastle · 20/09/2024 23:47

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 22:14

She has autism and I have to go and get her from school as she is so distressed. When I pick her up she is in a right state - shaking, self harming, crying, nose bleeds.

That must be really upsetting.

UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 23:52

ThisBlueCrab · 20/09/2024 22:35

Sounds like they feel that dd is not settling because you are giving in and allowing her to go home.

They legally have to provide her an education and you legally have to present her at school. If you are allowing her to leave then you are preventing her accessing her education.

If you are approaching the school the way your posts come across here (and I appreciate that you are frustrated) then I can see why they are flagging this for further assistance.

Why, in y8, is she so unhappy in school that she struggles to make it beyond 15 minutes?

If you are truly honest, is it because age knows if she kicks off you will allow her to go home?

When am I giving in and allowing her to go home?? It is the school who sends her home or suspends her all the time.

Your post makes no sense. I know they have to legally provide her with an education hence her sitting in reception all day is no good, is it?

I am clearly venting on here.

She doesn't feel safe in school so struggles to separate from her safe person. This is due to the lack of plan by the school.

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 23:53

MultiplaLight · 20/09/2024 22:39

How did she cope before now in school?

In Primary she did well. But they had a full time SENCo and she had a proper plan.

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 23:56

Ponderingwindow · 20/09/2024 22:40

is this proposal at least a temporary plan while your dd gets acclimated to her 1:1? So that person would stay with you all together? The 3 of you hang out in a quiet safe space and your dd does increasing forays into school with the aide, knowing she can return to you in the quiet room if needed?

No, it's not a temporary plan and she has no 1:1, there is no quiet safe space either. Your plan is much better than the school's!

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UndertheCedartree · 20/09/2024 23:58

bouncingbackhome · 20/09/2024 22:41

In my local authority, parental consent is needed before a referral is made to social services. Unless the concern meets a threshold of needs.

it does sound like some support from the disabled children’s team may help you. You can contact them yourself for support.

off rolling is not allowed. No child can be off rolled.

It's not allowed but it does happen. The school is always telling me and DD to find her a different school.

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WhatsitWiggle · 20/09/2024 23:58

Matronic6 · 20/09/2024 22:31

If her needs are this severe, how has she got all the way to year 8 without an EHCP?

My daughter made it to year 10, aged 14. She had been highly anxious from the age of 8, but the pressure of GCSEs, the upheaval of different peers in every class, some additional new school rules and social relationships becoming more challenging tipped her over the edge.

In hindsight, her autism was obvious, but only at home; everywhere else she masked to fit in. Until she couldn't. The relief on her face when I told her I wouldn't force her back to that school and I'd find something else told me all I needed to know about whether I was doing the right thing.

She's now at 1-2-1 tuition to gain 5 GCSEs as she has been without education for 18 months. And her school continued to say she wouldn't get an EHCP because she was too able. It's just been awarded after I applied and fought myself.

Ponderingwindow · 20/09/2024 23:58

Wait, when you say reception, do they want

  1. you wait in reception until you are called to the special needs classroom where there are lots of different nooks your dd can choose from as spaces to hang out and decompress. Maybe even be able to do some school work because she isn’t dealing with the things that cause her stress or
  2. they want you to sit with her in a busy reception space with lots of people and noise

I just assumed it was (1) because the second option is so crazy that I can’t believe it would happen in 2024

SendMeHomeNow · 20/09/2024 23:59

user1474315215 · 20/09/2024 21:52

I would be extremely surprised if school was acting maliciously.

I wouldn’t.

UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:00

CLola24 · 20/09/2024 22:42

And they're issues CSC are trained to deal with. You want further support for her, don't you? Can't you see this as a collaborative issue centering your daughter as opposed to tit for tat with the school?

No. We have support the issue is the school not engaging with it. Lots of professionals are involved but unfortunately the Head believes she knows better than them. She doesn't even know my DD but knows more than the experts who do know her.

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Portfun24 · 21/09/2024 00:00

I believe you op, my niece has just had to be pulled out school to be home schooled as they just wouldn't/couldn't facilitate what was needed to make school a suitable place for her to learn due to her Autism. They were hostile to my sil, anything she suggested to try make school easier for my niece was met with excuses and they seemed delighted when she finally gave in and said she'd remove and homeschool her.

SendMeHomeNow · 21/09/2024 00:01

Sirzy · 20/09/2024 21:54

I think your best to let them investigate and come to their own conclusions. Finger pointing may make it look like your trying to hide something

Agreed, just go along with what they need so they can see you have nothing to hide. Let it speak for itself that there are no concerns.

UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:01

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 22:44

This.

You can apply for an EHC needs assessment yourself op. I suggest doing so www.ipsea.org.uk/asking-for-an-ehc-needs-assessment

I have done so but the school didn't support it so we were turned down. I'm now appealing.

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Matlivestream · 21/09/2024 00:07

Have you looked into eotas? It’s a fight to get, but it means that your local authority will pay for 1:1 tuition, therapeutic provisions, interest-based provisions etc. It’s homeschooling but the local authority pay for it. if neither mainstream or specialist schools can meet your child’s needs then this is the provision to argue tooth and nail for. It is transformational for the young person. (But a lot of work for you).

WhatsitWiggle · 21/09/2024 00:08

Ponderingwindow · 20/09/2024 23:58

Wait, when you say reception, do they want

  1. you wait in reception until you are called to the special needs classroom where there are lots of different nooks your dd can choose from as spaces to hang out and decompress. Maybe even be able to do some school work because she isn’t dealing with the things that cause her stress or
  2. they want you to sit with her in a busy reception space with lots of people and noise

I just assumed it was (1) because the second option is so crazy that I can’t believe it would happen in 2024

Not all schools have the facility that option 1 requires. Certainly not my DDs former secondary. The SENCO room was one of the noisiest parts of the school by post lunch, because all the young people who couldn't manage to be in class any more were hanging out there! There was no dedicated quiet / sensory room.

The school also failed to provide an appropriate trusted adult - DD hated the pastoral support but that was all that was offered. I was told by SENCO more support would be offered with a diagnosis. I paid £2k for a private assessment. Guess what? No more support. And promptly denied that she'd said there would be.

SendMeHomeNow · 21/09/2024 00:17

OP I think most of the people posting don’t have a clue what they’re talking about. Even the teachers aren’t aware of how every school in the country behaves! I’d be worried as well that’s natural but I’d get legal advice and work with them. I’d also look at a new school. I can’t see it ever working for your daughter where she is. I know that’s what the head wants but I’d just want my DC out of there.

UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:20

Genevieva · 20/09/2024 22:44

What are the Ed Psych recommendations?

Rather than making accusations of malicious actions, just explain factually to Social Services what her diagnosis is, what reasonable adjustments her Ed Psych has recommended, what is happening at present and why it is making your daughter more anxious, then the plan the school have and why it is unworkable.

Separately, ask them about how to make progress with an EHCP. It’s possible there are smaller settings that might be more suitable for her. They are popping up all over the place at the moment because the demand is huge. Personally, I think factory schooling - vast schools within multi-academy trusts are to blame for schools becoming more stressful environments for many ND children who would have coped with the schools of 20 years ago. If you can identify a suitable SEN school, maybe the SENCo at the current school would help with an EHCP that specifies the new school. Then they are not off-rolling her. They are transferring her. I know people who have managed to achieve this.

The Ed Psych recommends things like:
Working with DD on ways she can try and regulate herself when she gets distressed.
Not telling DD something is happening and then changing it.
To not bring adult conversation around DD (I.e. stop telling me to find her another school in earshot of DD.)

I just thought if DD's problems are all because of me why would they 'return' DD to me if the still can't cope after 15 minutes? Surely I'd just make things worse? It just makes no sense.

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UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:22

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 22:47

They legally have to provide her an education and you legally have to present her at school. If you are allowing her to leave then you are preventing her accessing her education.

how is dumpling her in reception all day with her mum providing education?

Quite. Maybe they'll set me up a blackboard in there so I can educate her?! 😂

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Josette77 · 21/09/2024 00:23

My 13 yo ds has developmental trauma and ADHD and struggles with school attendance.

I think you need to be really clear on what you are requesting.

For example "working on coping strategies with her when she's distressed". Who would be doing this? The teacher? TA? And what coping strategies does she already have? What ones does she use when with you?

UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:24

ThisBlueCrab · 20/09/2024 22:49

That isn't the point of what they are doing. They are trying to support her but still keep her in the school building. If ahe is in the building and calm, then they can work towards getting her back into class. That is not possible if mum takes her home.

Their plan doesn't involve them working on anything. It also leaves me with precious little resources to calm her.

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Josette77 · 21/09/2024 00:25

Also unfortunately things will change sometimes. Teachers can't always predict things or they'll change their mind. I don't see how a school could accomplish that?

WalkingaroundJardine · 21/09/2024 00:26

As a parent of a child with special needs I believe you too @UndertheCedartree . It seems to be a common experience, unfortunately.

It’s ridiculous to expect you to sit in reception all day.

CrossUniStudent · 21/09/2024 00:28

Glad to hear you're appealing OP. Good luck

UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:28

ThisBlueCrab · 20/09/2024 22:53

By the OP's own admiasion they have tried to out a plan in place as the OP has admitted on more than one post that she refuses to agree to it. That is why she ends up sat in reception.

School's can't win!!

You're not following at all.

The school's plan is for me to sit in reception. If I agree to their plan I sit inbreception. If I disagree I do not.

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UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:31

WouldYouLikeMeToSpellThatForYou · 20/09/2024 22:57

^
Huge backstory here, very surprised if school would be 'acting maliciously' as they have to back up their referrals. It's incredibly hard to get CSC to pick up cases so usually it has to be significant enough to warrant the contact

Yes, hopefully Children's Services won't accept the referal. I think they could well see all the other services involved as well as lack of any evidence from the school and turn it down.

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UndertheCedartree · 21/09/2024 00:33

ThePure · 20/09/2024 23:00

It is for them to decide what is malicious or otherwise. They have lots of referrals and are well able to decide what has merit or not. Just let them do their job. After all you have nothing to hide.

Yes, exactly. Thank you.

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