To tell Children's Services it is a malicious referal from school

[UndertheCedartree]

So DD's school have today told me they are referring us to Children's Services. Ever since I made a complaint they have been trying to off roll her. They are not putting in proper support for DD leaving her struggling and then not wanting to go in the next day. Apparently this is all my fault. I feel this is just another tactic for me to be so fed up with the school I pull her out.

@ThisBlueCrab OP literally said there is no plan.

Or do you mean the plan for mum to sit in reception all day? Which is utterly ridiculous and unreasonable.

No, schools can't win at refusing to provide appropriate send support/education when parents are clued up enough to know they don't have to accept this shite.

She needs an EHCP. But the school haven't helped with getting one. We already are working with the LA to help her but they say the school is not doing their bit. This referal is just an extra layer of stress that's not needed. My DD needs consistency not continuous new adults coming into her life.

If SENCO hasn't helped to get the EHCP then OP is correct about her.

Childrens services covers a wide range of things. In my county, it's also the department that deals with SEND, EHCPs, funding etc.

Are you sure you're getting worked up about the right thing here?

We already have support we are working with from the LA. The school doesn't want to engage, though.

Oh, the naivity of people on here...

Of course some schools behave maliciously, especially when it comes to kids with additional needs. If you try to get help for your kid, some school retaliate.

Unfortunately, a great many teachers think they know best and peg parents as over anxious when the reality is, the child has needs. How do I know this? Because I used to work with teachers and we have several teachers in our family... I've repeatedly seen those kinds of attitudes.

Making an official complaint is "hostile"
Wow !! Didn't know that......

The LA are having you on there op. Do the request as outlined in the Ipsea link. don't worry about ss, in my experience they won't touch send kids with a barge pole lest they be forced to spend their budgets!

This can include early support.
please try not to panic and not to jump to your own defence and say it is malicious. Go with the facts and be as neutral as possible.
This may well be a gateway to more help.

The school don’t sound as though they can meet your daughter’s needs to be honest…

How far are you with the EHCP? Have you requested that the LA make an assessment? You don’t need the school’s support to do that. I’m not sure I understand how things have got this far without progressing an EHCP

Oh so because you work in a school, you think you know how all schools act? Right ok.

Former teacher here, and parent, now home educating mother, and I can assure you that some schools absolutely DO report maliciously. If you think that ALL schools follow procedures, then you are extremely naïve.

As for 'oust'-ing children, yes, off-rolling may be illegal, but that sure as hell doesn't stop some schools from doing it. Just ask the hundreds, if not thousands of SEN mums who were left forced to home-educate after their children were illegally off-rolled.

I roll my eyes hard at posters who start with "I work in a school", as if they know it all 🙄

You know I've already posted about the utter nonsense school staff come out with re send on here today this being a prime example

If this is what they have discussed, then they are trying to get the support for dd. This is one of the first steps in getting an EHCP which opens up the funding for additional support.

Which part of the legal test for an ehcna says this needs to be done first? Clue - none of it.

Children services don’t necessarily mean a child protection social worker though. I process referrals within part of children services and most of the referrals, but not all, come from schools some parents self refer when they feel they need more support that the school is providing. We have a range of services that we might offer to the family and Social work is only one option, we also can offer additional educational support or help liaising between school and parents, we can request additional support from the school nurse system or Health visitor system in younger children. We can offer group work for the young person or parenting classes or resources for the parents, we can signpost to other specialist agencies. We run groups through the school holidays.
Sadly some parents do refuse to engage with the support we can offer but you shouldn’t dismiss it out of hand just because the school has instigated it.
Oh and just because I process referrals and know what happens in my Local authority I don’t think I know it all and I have experienced the other side as a parent with a child with ADHD.

They said that DD's issues are nothing to do with autism and are down to me because I won't agree to a plan where I have to sit at school all day. Obviously going against the opinion of all the professionals.

I have this attitude to the school because of the way they have treated my DD. She's been discriminated against, no individual support plan, no goals or review meetings, suspended for being in ASD meltdown and I could go on. She has been badly effected by the lack of support. And ever since I made a complaint the Head has been hostile to me.

I agree that this is not reasonable and amounts to unlawful exclusion.
https://sossen.org.uk/my-child-is-being-sent-home/

Actually having more people involved is distressing for my DD. We already have plenty of people involved Children's mental health specialist, school nurse, Ed Psych, LA SEN team and LA Inclusion team, Child development centre. Yes, she has a formal diagnosis of ASD and Anxiety (also Long Covid, poor thing.) And yes, I agree it is exhausting. I have 2 ND DC and am ND myself. It is so frustrating that the Head has decided she knows better than any of the people who are actually qualified to give an opinion.

Off rolling a child is not excluding a child. There is no 'red tape' as it is illegal. Do you actually know what off rolling is?

Following protocol?? How is it protocol to go against all the reports from the experts and decide that actually they are all wrong.and DD's problems are all caused by me because I didn't agree with their plan to make me sit in reception all day?

I said off role or exclude if you fancy reading the post and yes I am fully aware of what it is.

But you are being g very belligerent in what you are choosing to acknowledge and seem intent on not listening to everyone, me included, who have said a referral to children's services is often one to do with early intervention and aviut trying to get the support you are asking for.

If your actual here is anything like how you arr interacting with the school. I am not in the least surprised that the head is hostile

@UndertheCedartree

Have you applied for an EHCNA yourself?

This is where I think we need specialist schools. Quieter spaces for ASD - proper time tables so they know what to expect and when.

Parent fought for children to be in mainstream and all I see is children suffering and an awful lot of specialist experience lost.

Not even a halfway house.

I do wonder what those parents now think of the state of the state system.

Do you know you don't need the school to request ehcp? You can do it yourself? It's a long hard slog and you need to know your child's rights, and often ehcps are gatekept to en extent among some local authorities because obviously it comes out of their pot but fight for your child's needs and embrace any professional that comes your was as an ally, because they will help you get what your child needs. Social services aren't the enemy, they should be your first point of call for advice and self referral, they have a wealth of info and can refer on to occupational therapy, who also have valuable expertise. Good luck, don't be disheartened, embrace any help that comes your way

I'm so sorry to hear that but glad it had a positive ending. My concern is that DD already struggles with all the professionals already involved and another is the last thing she needs. She won't talk to a SW. We already have support who are trying to call the school to account.

And this reflects exactly how much the actual SEN system lets down parents who aren't excellent communicators (or, as can so often be the case, have some additional needs of their own.) so much of the time, it relies on parents being able to advocate effectively and sometimes aggressively for their children just to get their basic legal right to a "suitable" education met.

Sorry, but you're very naive ....