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To be incensed that a man cost council tax payers £63,000 for insisting he had a gender fluid Daschund?

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TorghunKhan · 17/09/2024 18:05

£63,000 could have paid for an awful lot of things for the poorest families in Cambridgeshire, instead, thousands of hours and a huge pile of cash has been paid out because of some dickhead, virtue signalling in a meeting

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/gender-neutral-daschund-social-worker-wins-63-000-discrimination-payout/

This brave woman did what we all need to do, stood up, called bullshit on something patently absurd, and instead of supporting her, her bosses called her "nasty" and excluded HER from meetings! She's a social worker!

WTF is going on? Is it the backwards decade where we all do the opposite of what's sensible?

Social worker wins £63,000 discrimination payout over 'offensive' comments about colleague’s ‘gender neutral’ daschund

A social worker has won a £63,000 payout over discriminating comments made about colleague’s ‘gender neutral’ daschund.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/gender-neutral-daschund-social-worker-wins-63-000-discrimination-payout

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aliceinanwonderland · 18/09/2024 15:09

LlynTegid · 17/09/2024 18:51

The £63000 is what the person has been paid. Over and above that there will be the legal fees and the salaries paid for those attending the tribunal.

I'd expect a cost of £100,000 plus in total.

It says in the article that it was approximately £55,000 compensation and £8000 legal costs

I'd imagine the council's insurance will pay this so it's not as if that money would have been used for housing etc.

But the important point is that she won the right to be able to express GC views

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2024 15:22

This whole thing is so stupid I can't even 🤦‍♀️

aliceinanwonderland · 18/09/2024 15:26

Whilst it cost the council money in fees, do you not think she should have brought a claim having been disciplined and lost earnings for her beliefs?

SinnerBoy · 18/09/2024 16:08

Wordsmithery · Today 08:52

Of course, the papers have reduced the situation to absurdity, because that's what papers do. The real issue is the woman who has a history of being outspoken and, from the sound of it, really quite nasty to her colleagues.

How very dare she be outspoken, indeed. She should obviously shut up and agree with any old rubbish anyone comes out with....

Any proof that she's nasty to her colleagues? Or did you just make that up on the spot?

I suspect the council gave in because they realised they'd mismanaged the situation in allowing things to get this far.

A more likely explanation is that, given the case law in this area, to wit, having reality based, sex realist views is well and truly WORIAD, they played brinkmanship, hoping that she'd fold and their barrister explained that they didn't have a hope in Hell's chance of winning.

You know, on account of them illegally harassing her.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 16:12

But the important point is that she won the right to be able to express GC views

And also they've got to update their training, which will hopefully be of lasting benefit

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 16:16

Not only that, but Anya Palmer, GC barrister who worked on the Forstater case, has to write it.

x.com/lizpitthot21228/status/1820050313316909549?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

TorghunKhan · 18/09/2024 16:24

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 16:12

But the important point is that she won the right to be able to express GC views

And also they've got to update their training, which will hopefully be of lasting benefit

we have someone from this org. on this chat, I bet they don;t see any updates to this for a loooong time.

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JobHuntingMum · 18/09/2024 16:30

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/09/2024 10:28

This. The throwing about of 'transphobic' and 'bigot' because you don't believe in being able to change sex needs to stop. Look at what happened in the deleted thread.

People can believe what they want but no one gets to compel anyone else into a belief system or someone's pseudo reality. We don't entertain believing someone identifies as a different age or race but changing sex is somehow ok?

Doesn't happen with religion so I'm not sure why if you fail to believe humans can change sex, or correctly sex someone, you are fair game to insult and criticise. Respect seems to be demanded only one way.

Gender ideology impacts negatively on women's rights to sex based spaces and fairness in sports. It's getting ridiculous that no one can state what is basically fact.

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TorghunKhan · 18/09/2024 16:33

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/09/2024 10:28

This. The throwing about of 'transphobic' and 'bigot' because you don't believe in being able to change sex needs to stop. Look at what happened in the deleted thread.

People can believe what they want but no one gets to compel anyone else into a belief system or someone's pseudo reality. We don't entertain believing someone identifies as a different age or race but changing sex is somehow ok?

Doesn't happen with religion so I'm not sure why if you fail to believe humans can change sex, or correctly sex someone, you are fair game to insult and criticise. Respect seems to be demanded only one way.

Gender ideology impacts negatively on women's rights to sex based spaces and fairness in sports. It's getting ridiculous that no one can state what is basically fact.

Seems to be happening rather a lot nowadays - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5168045-free-speech-union-meeting-evicted-from-brighton-pub

Free Speech Union meeting evicted from Brighton pub | Mumsnet

I don't think there's already a thread on this. Apologies if so. I just read this report on Julie Birchill's Facebook page: Laura King...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5168045-free-speech-union-meeting-evicted-from-brighton-pub

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ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 16:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 16:16

Not only that, but Anya Palmer, GC barrister who worked on the Forstater case, has to write it.

x.com/lizpitthot21228/status/1820050313316909549?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Sounds good - hopefully other councils (and maybe other orgs too) will adopt it in order to save themselves similar embarrassment, money and time.

Fatbottomgardener · 18/09/2024 16:49

dreadful behaviour by the council. Council HR allowed this to spin out of control. Unbelievable that a bloody dachshund has cost local residents so much money. Why was the dog’s owner allowed to involve their dog in a business meeting? Cambridge HR need to rewrite policies PDQ

ClareBlue · 18/09/2024 17:01

It's fine, it's only public money which nobody seems to care about.
Wonder how many people are held accountable after rulings like this. That would be none on current estimates. Then councils can't afford to provide their statutory obligations and blame everyone apart from themselves. There are numerous examples like this everyweek and thousands wasted on instructing solicitors and barristers. Then it's bleat, bleat, bleat for working people to cough up more of their earned money to fund it all.

SouthernComfortable · 18/09/2024 17:06

Have any names of senior managers who either authorised or encouraged this fiasco?
Specifically do we know the name of the head of HR or Head of Legal Services for instance?
Has anyone been through the websites of the Council already?

Abitofalark · 18/09/2024 17:06

Saschka · 17/09/2024 19:31

I thought Lizzie (the GC social worker) took the council to the tribunal? Cut legal aid and she would just have been sacked with no recourse.

Legal aid is not available to employment tribunal claimants. They can represent themselves or be represented by a trade union official or other adviser or family or friend or they may be able to get legally qualified representation through a charity or law centre that provides free advocacy.

ClareBlue · 18/09/2024 17:10

aliceinanwonderland · 18/09/2024 15:09

It says in the article that it was approximately £55,000 compensation and £8000 legal costs

I'd imagine the council's insurance will pay this so it's not as if that money would have been used for housing etc.

But the important point is that she won the right to be able to express GC views

You image wrong. Local Authorities can not get insured for this snd haven't for decades. And insurance paying out for Council mistakes has a direct impact on premiums and therefore money available for provision of services. It's strange to minimise it because you think insurance will pay. This payment will be straight out of their budget, along with all the employee hours invedtigating, responding and providing info for tge case that are non legal snd that are never costed but are very substantial.

TorghunKhan · 18/09/2024 17:30

SouthernComfortable · 18/09/2024 17:06

Have any names of senior managers who either authorised or encouraged this fiasco?
Specifically do we know the name of the head of HR or Head of Legal Services for instance?
Has anyone been through the websites of the Council already?

please do. an FOI request can come from anyone, any time, just an email

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TorghunKhan · 18/09/2024 17:31

ClareBlue · 18/09/2024 17:01

It's fine, it's only public money which nobody seems to care about.
Wonder how many people are held accountable after rulings like this. That would be none on current estimates. Then councils can't afford to provide their statutory obligations and blame everyone apart from themselves. There are numerous examples like this everyweek and thousands wasted on instructing solicitors and barristers. Then it's bleat, bleat, bleat for working people to cough up more of their earned money to fund it all.

It's fine, it's only children's services which nobody seems to care about.
It's fine, it's only women which nobody seems to care about.
It's fine, it's only families which nobody seems to care about.

Men in Dresses - TOP OF THE QUEUE

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/09/2024 17:36

SouthernComfortable · 18/09/2024 17:06

Have any names of senior managers who either authorised or encouraged this fiasco?
Specifically do we know the name of the head of HR or Head of Legal Services for instance?
Has anyone been through the websites of the Council already?

It's long overdue that people who sanction institutionalised bullying of women in the workplace are held to account when found out.
Suspect this would have been a doozy of a case had it been heard with a number of unhinged staff demonstrating how unfit they are to work in the public sector. But they are enabled by managers and HR and it's time these well paid people were forced to to account for their actions.

Nextdoor55 · 18/09/2024 18:45

MrTiddlesTheCat · 18/09/2024 10:24

Is a trans identifying sausage dog in a tutu appropriate for a formal meeting?

Idk I used to work for a college & there was a tutor who used to actually think their dog was an actual person, dressing them up like a child. It's a bit weird but whatever makes people happy I guess.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 19:08

Why was the dog’s owner allowed to involve their dog in a business meeting?

It's not clear whether the dog was there, but I think he had an Instagram account (of course) so maybe the Dog Dad just showed that?

sparklyfox · 18/09/2024 19:12

It's like we're living in an Orwelian dystopian novel...

FOJN · 18/09/2024 21:17

Why was the dog’s owner allowed to involve their dog in a business meeting?

Pablo was taking the minutes.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 21:25

It was a video meeting. Tbf my dear old dachshund occasionally made a comment or two during my work zoom meetings. Another colleague had a vocal chicken.

TorghunKhan · 18/09/2024 23:03

sparklyfox · 18/09/2024 19:12

It's like we're living in an Orwelian dystopian novel...

“Like”?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 23:49

It was a video meeting. Tbf my dear old dachshund occasionally made a comment or two during my work zoom meetings. Another colleague had a vocal chicken.

Ah, yes, forgot it was on video.