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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

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timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

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Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:15

Please please reply saying “no thank you very much, we’ll just leave it at that and stay work friends”. Don’t get into an explanation or back and forth with him. There is no point.

Hold your head up high and do not let anyone ever belittle you like he has tried to do.

He has shown you who he is and what his priorities are - unfortunately he didn’t care enough in the coffee shop to prioritise the potential new love interest in his life. His priority was 100% this lady and her child, bickering over a few quid and giving his opinions on childcare and who pays for coffee and calling you out on a few things. Who does he think he is?

I’d have been so embarrassed to have been treated like that on a date. He doesn’t warrant you wasting anymore time on him. If you let this go and see him again believe me his behaviour and treatment of you will get worse. He has shown who he is and what his priorities are - red red red flag!

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:17

I can see some of the poster's points that it sounds like she was trying to set boundaries with him in the coffee shop when she got annoyed at him questioning her parenting.

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Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:19

Who the fuck is he to question her parenting- that on its own is enough to wave goodbye. I’m sorry I keep rabbiting on but the more I think about the whole coffee shop situation I feel so angry on your behalf!!!

LAMPS1 · 18/09/2024 14:20

I’d reply telling him you have realised you aren’t compatible and have decided that’s as far as you wish to go thanks.

Stay well clear OP.
That’s a very weird dynamic between him and his ‘cousin’ in which nobody would want to compete. They have something between them and you should stay right out of it. I feel he hasn’t given you the full story. But even if he did drip feed a story to you it wouldn’t be the truth.
It would feel horrible and demeaning to you to be in the middle of it.
Once was more than enough.
You would never feel entirely comfortable knowing she and the baby are also there in the background.

Ohnobackagain · 18/09/2024 14:23

@timtamfan21 you know what? Reading your updates I think in your shoes I’d be ending the relationship. He sounds like a royal pain in the *rse and so does she. Like blooming kids. Save yourself a whole heap of angst and walk away.

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:25

Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:19

Who the fuck is he to question her parenting- that on its own is enough to wave goodbye. I’m sorry I keep rabbiting on but the more I think about the whole coffee shop situation I feel so angry on your behalf!!!

I really went into it with an open mind and wanted to befriend her. I knew my boyfriend was a big part of their life (and vice versa, due to them not having many other connections in this country) so I was really wanting to get on with her and was willing to accept things that may go along with their friendship. I knew he saw himself as the baby's godparent, so I accepted I would be babysitting with my boyfriend/attending birthday parties etc in the future with her and her child if we got serious.

I can see I may have appeared tight to not buy a round of coffees, but it just didn't occur to me really. My boyfriend bought the first round and paid for her as his friend and paid for me as his girlfriend. I just didn't 'clock' that I was expected to buy one for her. I was already a bit distracted and uncomfortable after their argument.

It just didn't work out that way. I felt misled. He said he wanted us all to meet-up so we could get to know each other, but instead they just argued between themselves.

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Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:28

You weren’t tight x
You did absolutely nothing wrong
And if it wasn’t who was paying for the coffees it would have been something else
He has too much to say for himself and likes to put women in their place
RUN

MarkingBad · 18/09/2024 14:33

@timtamfan21

The more you say the more the whole meeting sounds like a set up to make her jealous and it didn't work so he caused a scene. Hence to 20 minute argument - who has the energy for 20 minutes argument?

He couldn't even apologise for his part when he contacted you, he has only suggested you move on.

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:47

LAMPS1 · 18/09/2024 14:20

I’d reply telling him you have realised you aren’t compatible and have decided that’s as far as you wish to go thanks.

Stay well clear OP.
That’s a very weird dynamic between him and his ‘cousin’ in which nobody would want to compete. They have something between them and you should stay right out of it. I feel he hasn’t given you the full story. But even if he did drip feed a story to you it wouldn’t be the truth.
It would feel horrible and demeaning to you to be in the middle of it.
Once was more than enough.
You would never feel entirely comfortable knowing she and the baby are also there in the background.

My friends told me even if they were brother and sister or cousins, it would still be a weird level of involvement for a single, childless man to have in the post-partum period.

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angstypant · 18/09/2024 14:48

sweetpickle2 · 17/09/2024 14:47

A lot of seemingly irrelevant detail in here. Why mention that they speak another language, what has that got to do with anything?

I'd have just offered to get the coffees, but I can afford to- not clear whether or not you can. If you didn't want to then you shouldn't have to.

How long have you been dating?

It's relevant in that they were rudely chatting together in their language thus excluding her. So rude.

angstypant · 18/09/2024 14:51

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

He's really not a great catch OP. He sounds awful.

LAMPS1 · 18/09/2024 15:05

My friends told me even if they were brother and sister or cousins, it would still be a weird level of involvement for a single, childless man to have in the post-partum period.

Then listen to your friends OP.
You have had a lucky escape.
Don't let him draw you back in.
You clearly deserve better.

Avertmyeyes · 18/09/2024 15:18

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 13:55

He’s not the father. Him and his friend are both of the same ethnicity, the child is mixed ethnicity. If it wasn’t for the child having clear mixed ethnicity features, I would be wondering. I don’t feel comfortable going into more details about a child that's mot mine, but he’s 100% not the father. My boyfriend also knows the (uninterested) father.

The more I think about it, the more I feel they do have an overly familiar friendship. He was around during the birth (not in the actual room but was waiting in the hospital, dropping off snacks etc) and saw her a lot in the few weeks following the birth to provide practical support (was apparently a traumatic birth and she wasn’t well for a while). Once she recovered somewhat, the friendship got back to a more normal routine of a weekly coffee meet-up. The child has a strong attachment to him and got really excited/giggly upon seeing him.

We were still just coworkers/good mates around the time of the birth and I remember him coming into work looking dishevelled in the days following the birth. He told me back then that he was supporting his ‘cousin’ and that they were close. It was only when we started dating that it came out she is a friend and not a blood relative. He just called her a cousin because she is “like family”.

It’s all fucking weird, maybe I have been in denial. Thinking of all of this, I can see why my friends thought he was the father. They were very insistent, telling me to wake up and smell the coffee etc. But if you saw the 3 of them together you’d understand why I say it’s impossible.

Apparently this friend was the one who encouraged my boyfriend to take it further with me when he told her about the friendship we had developed at work. Which would be odd behaviour if she wanted him.

It’s weird, he is like a surrogate father to the child.

Maybe she’s using you
He's using you

they are both game players

imo

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 15:40

Avertmyeyes · 18/09/2024 15:18

Maybe she’s using you
He's using you

they are both game players

imo

how would she be using me?

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ChristmasFluff · 18/09/2024 16:45

The other language is a bit of a red herring too. what kind of people sit and argue for 20 minutes in front of another person? I'd have left within the first 5 minutes, whatever the language.

He also should have quickly realised he was overstepping. Bloody hell, can you imagine ever having his baby? You'd be on a hiding to nothing.

You've known him for a long time as a friend. You are now getting to know who he is in a romantic relationship. It doesn't bode well.

MarkingBad · 18/09/2024 16:57

I can't speak for @Avertmyeyes but for me it sounds like she made the suggestion to your BF to start up a closer relationship with you to get his focus off her and her baby all the time.

KTheGrey · 18/09/2024 17:00

"Come and sit with me and my friend while we have a row in another language and I will then tell you that you are nosy wanting to be part of the convo rather than admit that we are excluding you. Then you should buy our rude selves coffees."

I am not sure somebody this lacking in self awareness or manners is a keeper. One rule for me ...

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/09/2024 18:20

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:03

The real dad is apparently flaky, though I wonder if he feels intimidated and pushed out by my boyfriend's involvement. It's a very odd situation.

I'm on annual leave from work this week so haven't seen him. He messaged me this morning saying "Let's just move on, shall we go for a meal this week and sort this out?". I haven't replied yet.

Please be very wary. He treated you horribly. So did his 'girlfriend '. They should have apologised profusely. Yet, he played a weird mind game by claiming that you were rude, and should have supplied them with drinks? To ignore someone for 20 mins is a really cruel thing to do. I couldn't imagine behaving like that towards a guy.

His relationship with this female is not right. No man takes this much of an interest in another female as a friend, or her baby. It's very strange. Watch out as I think you're being played.

TrickyTrifle · 18/09/2024 19:01

If your gut is telling you something is off then trust it. Situations like this/OW are very rarely as innocent as they make out to be. Might not be now, but in past/future there will be. This is not normal. Get out whilst you can and save yourself the heartache OP. You do not want to be made to feel like a spare wheel.ever.

Chillilounger · 18/09/2024 19:09

I would have paid on the basis that she's got a baby.

bringincrazyback · 18/09/2024 19:35

Chillilounger · 18/09/2024 19:09

I would have paid on the basis that she's got a baby.

Eh?

Avertmyeyes · 18/09/2024 19:48

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 15:40

how would she be using me?

Using you to get her jealous.

Cupooee · 18/09/2024 20:41

Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:15

Please please reply saying “no thank you very much, we’ll just leave it at that and stay work friends”. Don’t get into an explanation or back and forth with him. There is no point.

Hold your head up high and do not let anyone ever belittle you like he has tried to do.

He has shown you who he is and what his priorities are - unfortunately he didn’t care enough in the coffee shop to prioritise the potential new love interest in his life. His priority was 100% this lady and her child, bickering over a few quid and giving his opinions on childcare and who pays for coffee and calling you out on a few things. Who does he think he is?

I’d have been so embarrassed to have been treated like that on a date. He doesn’t warrant you wasting anymore time on him. If you let this go and see him again believe me his behaviour and treatment of you will get worse. He has shown who he is and what his priorities are - red red red flag!

This is wise advice.
You don't know him at all.
He was very rude and thinks he can lecture you?
Is this how you wish to be treated?
With such obvious disrespect?

Your friends are trying to protect you.
He's a twat, no doubt about it.
If you allow him to be so blatantly disrespectful and rude to you, you really cannot be surprised if things go south.

We teach people how to treat us.
Remember that.

Hyperbowl · 19/09/2024 08:00

Cupooee · 18/09/2024 20:41

This is wise advice.
You don't know him at all.
He was very rude and thinks he can lecture you?
Is this how you wish to be treated?
With such obvious disrespect?

Your friends are trying to protect you.
He's a twat, no doubt about it.
If you allow him to be so blatantly disrespectful and rude to you, you really cannot be surprised if things go south.

We teach people how to treat us.
Remember that.

Both this post and the one that was quoted have it spot on. He has shown you who he is, believe him! Also, he’s projecting onto you that you’re the problem when he knows full well it’s them and that the whole dynamic is beyond the realms of weird. Don’t get caught up in this dysfunctional triangle.

timtamfan21 · 20/09/2024 13:20

Is it concerning that he and this friend have booked a holiday for mid-November? It will be those 2 and the baby. Same hotel room to save money but she'll have the bed and him the sofa, and it's an apartment/self-catering style room. She has a friend over there so the plan is that he can babysit whilst she spends time with the friend. They will also have some time together too as she wants to eat out in the evening with him and her other friend. They will be gone for a week. He is still trying to win me over into giving him another chance and has said I can come if I want and he'll ask if she'd be willing to let us have the bed and her the sofa. I asked him if he had asked her about this plan (to have me join them) and he said she wasn't a fan of it but if I wanted to come he'd be able to convince her.

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