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CF coffee meet-up - opinions needed!

230 replies

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 14:39

Have recently started dating a coworker I have known for a few years. We socialised often on work nights but the few weeks we have been dating, it has mainly consisted of us having either cinema date nights (where we tend to take it in turns to pay, based on who can access a discount through their phone provider rewards scheme on that particular night) or cooking for each other and having a cosy night in at our respective homes. We haven’t really been eating out much or going for coffee - we don’t work in a particularly high-paying field.

Anyway, he has close friend who he often meets for coffee - just to clarify I have no issue with him having a female friend. She’s one of the only people who he is able to speak his mother tongue with on a regular basis and they both have no family in this country, so they having a sibling dynamic. She has a young baby so coffee shops are an ideal meet-up space for them.

He recently wanted to introduce us so invited me to their weekly coffee meet-up, I was happy to go. He bought the first round of drinks and mentioned that it was his turn because she had bought them last time - makes sense. When the 2 of them met up, they both had a coffee and I just had a water. We did small-talk in English. It got a bit awkward after a few minutes because he said something that upset her (he questioned a parenting choice she had made - leaving the baby with a mutual friend for 2 days who is apparently known to be flaky, and she got offended) and then they switched to their own language to have the argument. There was some back and forth for about 20 minutes so I just went on my phone.

Eventually they 'made up' and we decided to get another drink. We all fancied something different so went up to have a look at the menu. They were both expecting me to pay for this round in hindsight, but I didn’t clock on to this. I understand he had paid for the last round, but I wasn’t present last time they met up when she paid, so I didn’t realise there were expectations of me. For some reason I just had it in my head that he would pay, since he had bought me to meet his friend. I was the “guest” in a long-standing tradition, so I didn’t feel obligated to pay, it didn’t occur to me. I also think that being excluded from so much conversation felt quite rude to me and made me less inclined to step up and buy her a coffee. Though I did feel cheeky letting him buy another one for me, especially since I fancied one of the £££ artsy-fartsy frappe drinks, so I got my phone out and said “I’ll get mine”. I got daggers from the both of them and he said “You don’t buy a coffee just for yourself! Forget it, I’ll get them!”. I did wonder if I should offer to pay for me and him, but then that would’ve felt awkward too because it would've made her feel like the 3rd wheel. Anyway, he paid and we went back to sit down.

There was still a bit of post-argument tension between the two of them and now they both seemed irritated at me too, so we all finished our drinks quickly in relative silence and parted ways with her.

As he drove me back to my flat, he said I had been rude to her and him with the coffee-buying situation and apparently when I nipped to the toilet as we were leaving, she told him she felt like I didn’t like her because of it. She also said I seemed disinterested in her 6 month old baby because I didn’t coo or ask to hold - I love babies but I didn’t really acknowledge the baby too much on this occasion as it felt inappropriate on my first time meeting the mum. I defended myself and he said he won’t bother introducing me to his friends next time and that I seem disinterested in his life. He hasn’t messaged me since, this was all on Sunday. I really liked him and I thought we had the same life goals. I’d hate for it to end over something as trivial as this.

So, MN, was I cheeky? Should I have offered to buy them both a coffee? Or was my offer to buy my own coffee enough?

Also because I know somebody is going to ask (my own friends questioned it and took some convincing otherwise, and I shared the exact same facts I have done in this post) - no, my boyfriend isn’t secretly the father of her child. Won’t get too much into this as it’s not my place but looking at the child it is physically impossible for the child to be the product of my boyfriend and this woman, - there is no question, it’s a race thing. And they really do have a brother-sister dynamic, so this isn’t about jealousy.

OP posts:
Crysti · 17/09/2024 21:32

Josette77 · 17/09/2024 21:28

OP said it was bottled water.

I don't think it matters, either way he's an asshole.

Sorry you’re right! But yea he’s still an absolute asshole

HeliotropePJs · 17/09/2024 21:56

Good grief, what a lot of fuss over nothing—on his part, to be clear! He sounds like a lot of work, and I'd find his behaviour a huge red flag that he's not the sort to be a good partner. I'd let the relationship cool back down to casual friends-only and look for someone better (someone who doesn't rudely exclude you from a conversation for 20 minutes when you're meeting one of his friends for the first time🙄).

WasteOfPaint · 17/09/2024 22:21

You might have been rude in a minor way but they were much ruder! And there is a weird dynamic between them that you don't want to get involved in.

iwfja · 17/09/2024 22:27

Weird dynamic and far too much drama.
I'd let this one go OP.

Bloom15 · 17/09/2024 22:43

FlippertyFlopperty · 17/09/2024 14:49

Gosh no, they sound like seriously hard work and full of drama. Don't have another date with him, please.

Agreed!

TrickyTrifle · 17/09/2024 22:45

Don't believe the 'brother/sister' claptrap - it's all bullshit and a cover up for how one/both really feels. Seen it happen too many times.

Sorry OP I think he's 🚩

Fastback · 17/09/2024 23:04

He's really close to this friend though and describes himself as a godparent to the child, so it won't work unless I get on with her. I feel he is waiting for me to admit fault and apologise

Why can’t he look after this poor baby then?

Seriously though, ditch them both. Poor baby.

thecrispfiend · 17/09/2024 23:05

He sounds horrendous who needs that level of drama, abd this is supposed to be the "honeymoon phase " I would bin him off and leave them to their weird friendship you deserve better xx

cherish123 · 17/09/2024 23:13

As he organised the meeting, I actually think he should have paid or everyone pays individually.

Fountofwisdom · 17/09/2024 23:23

Ffs! One of the longest posts ever and all boils down to you being too tight/ill mannered to have the common courtesy to buy a round of coffees. Give your head a wobble.

Beautiful3 · 17/09/2024 23:40

I would have just left. If someone buys a round, then it's fair to offer a round back. It all sounded werid, I wouldn't bother again.

Ilovetea33 · 18/09/2024 04:31

I would have left much sooner, saying "XXX is not one of my languages, but then you know that." Leave them to it, they deserve each other.

PoachesPeaches · 18/09/2024 04:43

Agree with points about it all being a bit rude.

Also his questioning her parenting choice. Also telling you that you don't do a certain thing. I appreciate some cultures use more direct language but I think these are issues.

Appleblum · 18/09/2024 04:49

You both sound tight.

I would have made more effort with his friend tbh as she was important enough for him to want you to meet.

FancyNewt · 18/09/2024 05:07

I wouldn't want to date someone who spends 20 mins arguing with a friend over their babysitting arrangements. He sounds controlling.

Dibbydoos · 18/09/2024 05:17

Sounds like they turned their remnants of emotions from the argument towards you.

I think you were right not to buy a round, but I'd have said, 'I know you go rounds with coffees, so I'll get my own now and not upset your normal cycle of rounds'.

Not cooing and holding a baby is fine. It's no reflection on the mum or baby at all. It's your first meeting wtf! But it does show hugely the difference in cultures, values and expectations. I'd call it a day tbh, if this is what it's like over something trivial, what happens when the sh1t hits the fan and you have a real challenge on?

Crysti · 18/09/2024 09:08

Fountofwisdom · 17/09/2024 23:23

Ffs! One of the longest posts ever and all boils down to you being too tight/ill mannered to have the common courtesy to buy a round of coffees. Give your head a wobble.

You are being ridiculous.
It boils down to this man inviting her to meet his friend, judging his friends choices so much they’d an argument for 20 minutes in a different language, ignoring the OP, calling the OP out in front of people about who pays (who does that), calling the OP nosy. This guy is just a series of red red flags!

No woman should put up shit like this. And this in the early days too. He’s far too much to say for himself - poking his nose into his friends business regarding her child and trying to correct the OPs behaviour as he sees it

Hes a controlling rude arrogant little man. Give your head a wobble

Bloom15 · 18/09/2024 12:05

timtamfan21 · 17/09/2024 15:31

His justification for having the argument in their language is that they could both speak quicker, get their points out quicker and thus end the argument quicker. He said in the heat of the moment when riled up it is easier to argue in your mother tongue🙄

He also called me nosy and questioned why I was so desperate to hear an argument that related to her and her child when they are nothing to do with me and when I don't know the mutual friend they were arguing over. His opinion is that I couldn't have said anything anyway (true) so I shouldn't be arsed.

This changes my opinion- he sounds so rude.

YANBU

PuppyMonkey · 18/09/2024 12:26

He sounds like a proper knob end.

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 13:55

LostittoBostik · 17/09/2024 20:32

I'm afraid your updates make me think that actually he probably is the father of the child. Or he's more involved in some way that he's not letting on.

He’s not the father. Him and his friend are both of the same ethnicity, the child is mixed ethnicity. If it wasn’t for the child having clear mixed ethnicity features, I would be wondering. I don’t feel comfortable going into more details about a child that's mot mine, but he’s 100% not the father. My boyfriend also knows the (uninterested) father.

The more I think about it, the more I feel they do have an overly familiar friendship. He was around during the birth (not in the actual room but was waiting in the hospital, dropping off snacks etc) and saw her a lot in the few weeks following the birth to provide practical support (was apparently a traumatic birth and she wasn’t well for a while). Once she recovered somewhat, the friendship got back to a more normal routine of a weekly coffee meet-up. The child has a strong attachment to him and got really excited/giggly upon seeing him.

We were still just coworkers/good mates around the time of the birth and I remember him coming into work looking dishevelled in the days following the birth. He told me back then that he was supporting his ‘cousin’ and that they were close. It was only when we started dating that it came out she is a friend and not a blood relative. He just called her a cousin because she is “like family”.

It’s all fucking weird, maybe I have been in denial. Thinking of all of this, I can see why my friends thought he was the father. They were very insistent, telling me to wake up and smell the coffee etc. But if you saw the 3 of them together you’d understand why I say it’s impossible.

Apparently this friend was the one who encouraged my boyfriend to take it further with me when he told her about the friendship we had developed at work. Which would be odd behaviour if she wanted him.

It’s weird, he is like a surrogate father to the child.

OP posts:
Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:00

Stay well clear of the bioth of them and let them work out their weird dynamic. If she’s any sense she’ll actually steer clear of him - he’s not even the dad and he’s poking his nose into her parenting and giving his unwarranted two bit. Such a controlling little twat he is and sounds like he wants to be the dad tbh

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:01

She also is in a casual relationship and my boyfriend babysits the child sometimes so she can go on dates.

I did think it was inappropriate of him to question her choice of leaving the baby with another friend, but i daren't say this. He is too overly involved with her life but she seems to want that, but it's platonic.

I can't wrap my head around it. He's clearly protective of her, that's why he snapped at me not buying her a coffee.

OP posts:
timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 14:03

Crysti · 18/09/2024 14:00

Stay well clear of the bioth of them and let them work out their weird dynamic. If she’s any sense she’ll actually steer clear of him - he’s not even the dad and he’s poking his nose into her parenting and giving his unwarranted two bit. Such a controlling little twat he is and sounds like he wants to be the dad tbh

The real dad is apparently flaky, though I wonder if he feels intimidated and pushed out by my boyfriend's involvement. It's a very odd situation.

I'm on annual leave from work this week so haven't seen him. He messaged me this morning saying "Let's just move on, shall we go for a meal this week and sort this out?". I haven't replied yet.

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leavingsmartie · 18/09/2024 14:07

I don't think they are/were shagging or the baby is his.

They're just really odd intense overdramatic people with very poor social skills and inflated opinions of themselves.

Some people never leave that "controlling high school" mindset.

They lack the ability to include the OP in conversation or make her comfortable, but then expected her to "fill in the gaps" and smooth things over socially.

Their nationality is nothing to do with it.

A lot of bullying behaviour is really to do with social power play.

I think they want a social group in which they're allegedly "top boy and top girl" with OP the outsider begging for their approval...

If she continues, she'll be "managed" into the role of social support staff who has to jump every time Weird Woman tells her to.

The boundary pushing began at the meet and she stood up for herself, so Weird Man is now stonewalling her to train her.

I'd leave this pair of freaks to their own devices and move on with life.

MarkingBad · 18/09/2024 14:11

timtamfan21 · 18/09/2024 13:55

He’s not the father. Him and his friend are both of the same ethnicity, the child is mixed ethnicity. If it wasn’t for the child having clear mixed ethnicity features, I would be wondering. I don’t feel comfortable going into more details about a child that's mot mine, but he’s 100% not the father. My boyfriend also knows the (uninterested) father.

The more I think about it, the more I feel they do have an overly familiar friendship. He was around during the birth (not in the actual room but was waiting in the hospital, dropping off snacks etc) and saw her a lot in the few weeks following the birth to provide practical support (was apparently a traumatic birth and she wasn’t well for a while). Once she recovered somewhat, the friendship got back to a more normal routine of a weekly coffee meet-up. The child has a strong attachment to him and got really excited/giggly upon seeing him.

We were still just coworkers/good mates around the time of the birth and I remember him coming into work looking dishevelled in the days following the birth. He told me back then that he was supporting his ‘cousin’ and that they were close. It was only when we started dating that it came out she is a friend and not a blood relative. He just called her a cousin because she is “like family”.

It’s all fucking weird, maybe I have been in denial. Thinking of all of this, I can see why my friends thought he was the father. They were very insistent, telling me to wake up and smell the coffee etc. But if you saw the 3 of them together you’d understand why I say it’s impossible.

Apparently this friend was the one who encouraged my boyfriend to take it further with me when he told her about the friendship we had developed at work. Which would be odd behaviour if she wanted him.

It’s weird, he is like a surrogate father to the child.

Sorry to say this but it sounds like he is waiting for her and you are just filling in time for him until she comes round to his way of thinking.

If this isn't the case he will come round to you and try to make amends with you, if he doesn't don't even consider him a possibility, he was in the wrong. Frankly I would be very glad this whole thing was stopped so quickly and move on.

I have mixed races in my family, traits can skip generations but that's not to say your DP is definitely the father but I wouldn't rule it out. His behaviour marks out that he wants to be the babys father, thats not a bad thing but his friend's telling him to start up with you suggests she doesn't want him to be so close as father and trying to palm him off on someone else but still feels jealous. Getting involved in that senario is only going to break your heart in the long run.