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Am I the only one who thinks Trumps assassination attempts were a set up ?

227 replies

Snowdrops17 · 16/09/2024 09:33

I dunno I genuinely think Trump is either unhinged enough or stupid enough to set up two association attempts in order to try win the election ? Anyone else ?

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Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 10:22

@Fluufer on which other occasions have assassination attempts that have been caught on camera with eye witnesses etc later confirmed to have been staged?

I'm interested in the assertion that Trump's fist pumping was not "normal". Is there really a body of evidence that supports the idea of what is "normal" behaviour after a person is shot at?

Again I'm curious as to the rationale why the shooter and the guy with the rifle on the golf course would be willing to risk their lives / liberty in order to boost Trump's re election prospects.

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 10:28

I'm interested in the assertion that Trump's fist pumping was not "normal". Is there really a body of evidence that supports the idea of what is "normal" behaviour after a person is shot at?

The assassination attempts of previous president have always had the security forces jumping on and covering up the president and hustling him off so that none of his body is visible for the possibility of a second shot

I found it odd he was able to shout Fight Fight Fight and fist pump the air in full view of the man shooting at him.

That is not saying that the attempt didn't happen but it is something I am curious about

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 10:41

Perhaps you missed the bit in the video where after he was shot and completely covered and surrounded by secret services agents he says to them "let me get my shoes" and "wait". When he gives the fist bump he is completely surrounded by agents.

So is the argument that the secret service were actually all in on it too? So they want to help his re election prospects? That does seem puzzling to put it mildly.

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 10:55

He was not completely covered. He was surrounded but his head and part of his chest was visible. Very bad if the assailant went for another shot

As I have said in previous posts, I think it was a failing of the security services. Head of security had to leave/was sacked at an enquiry

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/09/2024 10:57

@Teddleshon - surely the most normal and frequent reaction to shots being fired at you is to duck for cover, not stand there waving your fists in the air and shouting 'Fight, fight, fight'?

I don't know whether his bizarre reaction means he knew it was a set-up, or that he is simply completely barmy - I suspect the latter, given all the evidence we have of him being a 'strong, stable genius'! Hmm

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 11:11

The shooter was dead by that point as he had been huddled on the ground covered by agents for quite a few seconds. You can hear what is being said over the radio

It is only his head and arms which are exposed at the point of the fist pump and you can clearly hear him saying "wait".

Malcolm Gladwell wrote a very interesting book on how misguided it is to assume what is "normal" behaviour in any given situation. History is written with miscarriages of justice and other disasters based on what people perceive as "normal".

So once again, you all seem to be suggesting the secret service were in on it and in his side? And please will someone tell me what the dead shooter got out of it all? And the second guy on the golf course - what has he gained?

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/09/2024 11:14

I thinknthe first one was real, but the second one could possibly be a set up

Sartre · 18/09/2024 11:15

Of course they are. The first one was way too perfect not to have been. Nobody was supposed to die but I don’t think the secret service were in on it hence why the shooter was killed and the other guy who died was accidental.

Look at the perfect image of him after the attempt with the USA flag behind him, it’s just too good to be true. He was also spotted a few days after with no bandage on his ear and it had miraculously fully healed…

He’s aiming for martyrdom.

Bigwelshlamb · 18/09/2024 11:20

He sent out a fundraising email within one hour of this not actually happening. Trump wasn't even in the line of sight for the would be assassin. It is likely true but he will of course exploit it and use it to demonise the Democrats.

Gallowayan · 18/09/2024 11:27

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 07:54

notanotherusername2024

You sound like you need to step away from the thread, and your post should be left up for you to realise why your endless vile insults are completely OTT.

People are so so rude on here. This is a discussion forum, different opinions are allowed you know.

I have no idea about attempt no.1. There is a lot wrong with it, but I imagine that's the fault of the security people. The assailant was known to be on the roof with a rifle. I believe Trump's ear was grazed with a piece of glass from the speech screen. However, I have seen other attempts of POTUS's and they always cover the victim up when it happens. Why they let Trump stand there raising his fist, and therefore being a perfect second shot, god alone knows.

Trump got up off the ground and did the fist pump tough guy act AFTER he knew the shooter had been killed.

The security surrounding him and dotted about the venue at the time have ear pieces and are in radio contact with each other.

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 11:31

And there is clear video footage of the actual bullet! He was not hit by glass.

I give up at this point as clearly people are happy to make judgements without any reference to actual facts.

Gallowayan · 18/09/2024 11:47

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 11:31

And there is clear video footage of the actual bullet! He was not hit by glass.

I give up at this point as clearly people are happy to make judgements without any reference to actual facts.

Well said

SuePreemly · 18/09/2024 11:48

Well an actual bullet went past him. I mean whether it hit him or not is entirely a matter of discussion: any bullet of that calibre which hit his ear would have caused far more damage then he received, and would have taken serious time to heal, especially in a 78yr old man.

It's no wonder people are suspicious, especially without any form of medical report.

Trump himself posted this;
“I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin"

This is clearly a lie.

Ronny Jackson wrote this: It just took the top of his ear off, a little bit of the top of his ear off, as it passed through,” Jackson said. “It was bleeding like crazy.”

This is also clearly not true. Nobody can have an ear "pierced" by a bullet, taking a little bit off the top etc and have it invisible in a fortnight. Not a chance.

Someone is telling fibs and based on his history I would be placing my bets on Trump.

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 11:50

So Ronny Jackson says. An ex physician with no medical licence since 2020 who made him lighter and taller than he actually is during Trump's term in office. He was demoted after a probe into his White House behaviour, he was known as The candyman for handing out drugs

EasternStandard · 18/09/2024 11:51

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 11:31

And there is clear video footage of the actual bullet! He was not hit by glass.

I give up at this point as clearly people are happy to make judgements without any reference to actual facts.

A lot of it is just going off course, probably right to give up too much to counter

SuePreemly · 18/09/2024 11:52

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 11:50

So Ronny Jackson says. An ex physician with no medical licence since 2020 who made him lighter and taller than he actually is during Trump's term in office. He was demoted after a probe into his White House behaviour, he was known as The candyman for handing out drugs

Exactly. Soooo reliable and honest 🤪

Twistybranch · 18/09/2024 11:56

What concerns me the most, is the exposure of people who believe absolute batshit and have such confidence to share their idiotic thoughts with others.
Even more concerning, is that it’s on a parenting site meaning they are likely to be parents. Jesus wept.

SuePreemly · 18/09/2024 12:08

I'm sorry critical thinking isn't high on your agenda.

My academic background taught me to question, to seek explanation and expert views, and to make up my own mind on all sorts of issues pertaining to the world

I'm fairly sure my brain didn't fall out when I gave birth, so I will continue to not accept any party line and make up my own mind 👍

SuePreemly · 18/09/2024 12:23

Apologies is that wasn't aimed at me @Twistybranch some of the nasty name calling on here has been really awful

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 12:24

@SuePreemly perhaps you could utilise your academic background to explain why, if it was clearly a staged assassination attempt the Democrats are going along with it and have accepted that it was a credible attempt on his life?

Surely the election would be a slam dunk for Kamala if it could be proven otherwise?

SuePreemly · 18/09/2024 12:30

Who knows 🤷‍♀️
The second attempt at very least is being blown up into something it's not. Maybe the democrats are just trying to lower the temperature rather than add more to the fire?

I'm not saying either attempt wasn't credible, more that I am not comfortable with everything around the first one, but I can't put my finger on what or why. There's too many doubts for me re: the lies about his injuries etc for me to accept Trump's narrative in it's entirety.

Second one seems to be a nutter in the shrubbery miles from Trump being made into some sort of huge deal

alittleprivacy · 18/09/2024 12:33

Whenwillitgetwarm · 17/09/2024 21:22

I’ve been very quiet on this IRL because I usually laugh at conspiracy theorists but it does seem fishy.

What does his ear look like? If an assault rifle bullet did hit it, wouldn’t part of it be missing? How did someone manage to get into Maralago with a massive assault rifle?

And the shooters were both Republicans?

Its just all so odd.

Edited

It happened on live tv. Jesus fucking Christ! Seriously, this is nothing but Trump Derangement Syndrome in action. The bullet winged him. TWO MONTHS AGO. Wtaf do you expect it to look like? Of course it's healed, have you never had a cut that bled (and ears bleed copiously) that healed up after a couple of months? People are running around two months after breaking a leg but you think that a healed cut is proof that something we saw happen on live television was faked? Seriously?

Teddleshon · 18/09/2024 12:51

@SuePreemly what lies about the injury?

newfriend05 · 18/09/2024 12:52

No we all do