..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

I just find it unbelievable. I would complain to the Charity Commission that survivors of sexual abuse were being subjected to an untrained man sitting in counselling sessions asking if they orgasm during rape. Don't therapists have a code of ethics?

I'd also complain that they were being retraumatised and refused services. Those professionals had a duty of care to those vulnerable women and failed them. They all colluded with him.

I'd sack the lot of them.

It is very very very much a point of relevance. It is key to why he took the job. To further the political agenda of males like him. Not to centre women. He said therapy is political - he was actively targeting the therapy of raped women.

When you put it like that, it becomes very clear how dark and twisted this all is.

Militant TRAs deliberately select the most vulnerable people to force their ideology on (and possibly also to get their sexual jollies).

That's why they went for ND children too.

Once you see it you can't unsee it.

The female workers in the centre don't deserve your censure for not speaking up.

I don't think you're appreciating how oppressive organisational gaslighting can be. If your boss is MW, and his bosses the trustees are supporting him, it can be crazy making. You doubt your own sanity and stop trusting yourself to speak up.

The female workers should never have been put in this position in the first place.

YANBU

Especially because, a lot of the time, these men in dresses may be people who have raped before...

This is SO fucking weird to me.
So weird.

I don't know a single man so invested in women's rape support. I imagine for the vast majority of men it would be a highly uncomfortable thing to be around/involved in.

I don't understand it.
Well I do....but I don't think I can say it without a ban risk 🤢

Sorry was referring to this

The vulnerable women who have been retraumatised and refused services deserve someone to speak up for them. That's what the staff should have been doing.

You've got absolutely no idea of my background or what I've experienced, so don't presume to know.

The victims in this scenario were those women being let down in that organisation. The therapists actually sat there and let an unqualified man ask them if they orgasmed during rape. Do you think that's acceptable?

From the reports, they weren't too frightened to speak up, they actively colluded with him.

I can't believe he's been allowed to resign. He may have been told he would be fired if he didn't but I would not have given him the option, he should have been sacked.

Even with all the evidence about his appalling performance and bullying he gets to walk away without a dismissal on his CV. If he's been paid off I'll be furious.

Rape Crisis in Scotland is a disgrace. He should never have been appointed and then they seem to have looked the other way as he bullied staff and denied services to women in need all whilst playing the victim. It's so fucking male.

I don't think blaming female staff is helpful either. It's very easy to say 'speak up' but the CEO was obviously nasty and vindictive towards anyone who didn't believe he wasn't a woman.

The idea that therapy is political is appalling.

Medical care - both physical and mental should be focused on improving the health of the person and should be evidence based.

When ideology enters medicine people are harms. Every single time. Because ideology forces out best practice and means that you lose sight of what the primary objective is.

Because the primary objective then becomes the ideology not improving someone's well being.

This is why affirmation only care is problematic - the outcome has been predetermined before a medical assessment to see if there is another explanation and more appropriate treatment.

This is also why schools shouldn't be affirming. This should be down to medical professionals not people who don't have a fucking clue about counselling. Because affirmation only is not neutral.

The politicisation of counselling is also tied up in the conversion therapy bill controversy. If counsellors withdraw from the field because they fear being taken to court, then it means ideologically driven counsellors will control the field.

That's why there's huge concern amongst the gay community about 'transing away the gay' too.

It's why pro-life groups have no place in counselling women who are pregnant. Etc etc.

Because it's about controlling people. Not helping them impartially to make informed decisions without undue influence.

But the women working there have been oppressed in their workplace and unless you've been in that situation, you can't say how you would react.

It's interesting how your views are siding with the male, in the sense that you're berating the women for not doing better in the workplace and that they've allowed this to happen. You're effectively putting the blame on women for mens actions.

If these women had spoken up, they would have been sacked, labelled with being anti trans and had their reputation damaged. In turn, people don't want to be associated with that.

However they couldn't speak up for what their reasons and they are still being blamed.

Why are we not blaming the man who posed as a women?

He was put into the job not by men but by women. He was accountable to women trustees. None of these women were at the mercy of Wadhwa.

Why were they not aware of problems that arise / were indifferent to them.

Of course they should have spoken up.

There was a succession of trustees who quit without raising the alarm.

Wadhwa was making comments publicly that give serious cause for concern.

This report states that one interview directly harmed a service user. Yet lots of women have been telling Rape Crisis Scotland for sometimes how problematic that interview was - yet RCS doubled down to support Wadhwa.

All these women were in senior positions where it was their responsibility. They all kept their mouths shut. Their legal and moral responsibilities are to whistleblow and safeguard. It's what they are paid to do.

They didn't.

The idea that therapy is political is appalling.

This has been one huge issue with the whole gender debacle. Everyone, everywhere, stepping out of their lane to stick their oar in something that is not their job and they often don't even understand the ramifications of.

Police, education, medical care, the press, finance, retail. It's absolutely everywhere. We need to get back to people doing their damned jobs and staying the hell out of things that don't concern those jobs.

I've actually never seen that exact quote about therapy being political before. I've picked up on it being problematic and unethical straight away .

Anyone familiar with my posting history will know I'm very sensitive about consent issues, undue pressure and ideology in women's health on a number of issues.

We need to get much better about recognising this and identifying where there are probably about this as women because ideology in healthcare disproportionately affects women. Scandals in healthcare are frequently links to ideological interference. Which is why scandals in healthcare disproportionately affects women.

Why are we not blaming the man who posed as a women?

In fairness, Sandy Brindley and Maggie Chapman, who appointed Wadhwa, knew damn well he was a man.

There are protocols in place for when this kind of thing happens. They could have made a complaint to the Charity Commission or raised the alarm.

However from what I read, they all colluded with him. They all bought into his schtick, so much so, that it overrode basic safeguarding.

A therapist let an untrained man sit in sessions and retraumatise a victim of sexual assault.

I'm not on the side of the man, I'm on the side of the women who were let down and further traumatised. As far as I can see, they all went along with it, going so far as to bully someone out of their job.

Thank you for doing that. As a survivor I am forever grateful to the women who believed and supported me.

if you want to be properly cross, check out JK Rowling’s X feed on this. That’s JKR who is
now presumably providing all of Edinburgh’s RCC at Beria Place, as referrals have now been paused to ERCC.

I can't stop thinking about that 60 year old woman who wanted to join a group to talk about her sexual assault for the first time in her life and was turned away. Labelling emails from survivors as 'hate mail' when they asked about the sex of the support. Having their trauma fetishized in therapy.

It makes me feel sick.

I'll check out her X.

Women did try. There were certainly a load of handmaidens but Roz Adams put her head over the parapet, and was bullied, harrassed and lost her job and had to go through court.

Women complained to the EHRC as soon as he was employed that he was employed in a job which had a genuine occupational requirement to only be given to a women. EHRC said they didn't have the resources to intervene.

All of the regulatory bodies are captured by gender ideology - the charity commission has been investigating Mermaids -who had a paedophile on their board and a male staff member with naked photos of himself on publicly available internet sites interacting with children - for three years now,.and Mermaids are still going.

British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy are captured - they've got Sophie Grace Chappell, a TW who said on record that it wouldn't matter if letting males into women's spaces caused a slight spike in women being murdered, advising them on their ethical policy. I wish I'd made that one up, but I didn't. Counselling regulator using a male who said women getting murdered by letting males into women's spaces.doesnt matter to write their ethics policy.

Social Work England is captured, they sanctioned Rachel Meade for GC posts she made on her private FB page and defended their actions in court.

Rape Crisis Scotland, despite disavowing Wadhwa now, supported him until after Roz Adams tribunal.

The SNP government were and are captured, it took down Sturgeon in the end but the ideology hasn't gone away. The UK government have stated they won't define 'woman' in the Equality Act to protect our rights, but they will make it easier to get a gender recognition certificate, and the chair of the women and equalities select committee this week couldn't define a woman other than 'someone who earns less and isn't safe walking the street'. The civil service is captured, a second member of SEEN in civil service is currently being dragged to court for saying biology exists.

Who do you think women could have whistleblown to?

Sadly you are 100% right @nothingcomestonothing

the problem women have been grappling with for a number of years is that all the regulatory bodies are captured - stonewall got there first thanks to it already having a brilliant influencing network thanks to the good work it used to do

Scottish government - captured
rape crisis Scotland - captured
civil service - captured
media - captured
Local government - captured
NHS - captured
national lottery as a funder - captured

who do you complain too when all of them think men can be women?

Police Scotland - captured. The fact that crimes are recorded as what someone 'feels' they are instead of their sex is diabolical.

Many many police forces - captured.

Thankfully the person in question is no longer in post

Of course you're not being unreasonable! He should never have even been considered for the position. The whole thing is an absolute scandal.