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..To be mortified at the treatment of rape victims at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre?

816 replies

TorghunKhan · 12/09/2024 16:22

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

No women only spaces for 16 months. Basically women, RAPED women - were told they could not definitely see a woman to help them with such an awful crime, they might have to see a man in a dress, and if they objected they were to be 're eductaed' by the man in charge - a man who himself applied for, and got!! a job which was supposed to be only filled by a woman.

It's shameful, disgusting, but whats worse is how many people put up with it!! Who thought this was ok?! why did nobody do anything, or say anything FOR YEARS

Woman with head in her arms sitting on a bed

Edinburgh rape crisis centre failed to protect women-only spaces

The centre unfairly dismissed a worker who believed victims should know the sex of staff who deal with their case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clynyky7kj9o

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 22:41

Ihopeithinkiknow · 12/09/2024 22:17

It's quite fucking obvious that the mother who is posting about her son being raped has read this as men who have been raped should not be in places that deal with rape victims rather than what it is actually about, a man who hasn't been raped dealing with female victims that have been raped. I think she is trying to get her point across about a different issue and should probably start her own thread but fuck me 🤨 do some people have to be so fucking cunty in their responses to someone who is obviously going through something obviously traumatic themselves? Accused of being a man and a male apologist just because she has very clearly got the wrong end of the stick.

Wanna buy a bridge?

TheKeatingFive · 12/09/2024 22:41

murasaki · 12/09/2024 22:38

Yes, that was what i was saying. I used to be polite about it, I'm now not.

I wonder if those poor 4 women per week who had to see the awful Mr W knew what they were getting, his lack of qualifications and the fact that he probably got a kick out of listening to their trauma.

I can't remember the exact quote, but he said he kept his hand in counselling to because it was important to 'keep it fun'.

Monster

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 22:41

Hang on a second.

Women are 90% of rape victims.

Therefore if male rape victims get access to services 1 day a week and women get access to services 4 days a week, the men have more access than the women.

For both sexes to have equal access (the same likeihood of getting an appointment) the proportion of male victims would need to be double. You have many more women per day trying to get help than men on the one day, because there's more women rape victims.

Men get access 20% of the time, but are only 10% of the population of rape victims.

Men get more access. I'm not saying that's wrong as it would be presumably difficult to divide it up otherwise if you want services single sex. But the rape crisis support is reflecting the need here - and trying to provide equal access, but actually providing more access for men. It's reflective of the fact that many many more women are raped than men and will need their services.

KentnotClarke · 12/09/2024 22:42

Unfortunately we are still in a jungle or roaming the earth as animals. Some have become more civilised than others but desire is still the burning reason the world still turns and we pro create.

Men hunt, we are the hunted.
The hunters have just won a victory in Afghanistan.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 12/09/2024 22:43

spannasaurus · 12/09/2024 17:37

I'm not really comfortable with a man asking female rape survivors if they orgasmed during their rape. This is what the man Wadha asked survivors during counselling sessions.

WHAT?
What counselling qualifications does this person have and from where?

TheKeatingFive · 12/09/2024 22:43

Allthehorsesintheworld · 12/09/2024 22:43

WHAT?
What counselling qualifications does this person have and from where?

Zero

PepaWepa · 12/09/2024 22:50

TwistedWonder · 12/09/2024 22:33

'women only spaces' is transphobic hate speech‘

Fucking hell they really really hate women don’t they?

Edited

Proving they do not like us, do not understand us, and do not care about us. It's beyond me why they want to parade as women when they're so out of touch with real women. It's delusional.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/09/2024 22:53

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 22:41

Hang on a second.

Women are 90% of rape victims.

Therefore if male rape victims get access to services 1 day a week and women get access to services 4 days a week, the men have more access than the women.

For both sexes to have equal access (the same likeihood of getting an appointment) the proportion of male victims would need to be double. You have many more women per day trying to get help than men on the one day, because there's more women rape victims.

Men get access 20% of the time, but are only 10% of the population of rape victims.

Men get more access. I'm not saying that's wrong as it would be presumably difficult to divide it up otherwise if you want services single sex. But the rape crisis support is reflecting the need here - and trying to provide equal access, but actually providing more access for men. It's reflective of the fact that many many more women are raped than men and will need their services.

It's worse than that. Men are not 10% but 6% of the target population, so get proportionally not twice as much access but almost 4 times as much.

And that's before you consider Sarah's case. Which showed that - at least in Brighton - men-only sessions were genuinely men only; trans-only sessions were genuinely trans-only; but 'women-only' sessions allowed men to attend.

Lovelysummerdays · 12/09/2024 22:53

I’m glad this is out in the public domain. There’s been quite a lot of threads over the years. Rape victims needing to “reframe their trauma” to be inclusive to menfolk aka transwomen really pushed me over into terf territory

lifeturnsonadime · 12/09/2024 22:53

Allthehorsesintheworld · 12/09/2024 22:43

WHAT?
What counselling qualifications does this person have and from where?

None from nowhere.

Yet, he applied for a role reserved for women and got the job.

Even now He’s got the job because no one seems to have the courage to sack him,

CrochetForLife · 12/09/2024 22:54

Saind3rs · 12/09/2024 18:57

I can post where I like. As I said women’s rights appear on every other thread.

Ok that says it all. Your attitude is one of absolute stubborn, malicious and vindictive spite and you MEAN to derail out of spite. That is lower than low.

poppyzbrite4 · 12/09/2024 22:57

lifeturnsonadime · 12/09/2024 22:53

None from nowhere.

Yet, he applied for a role reserved for women and got the job.

Even now He’s got the job because no one seems to have the courage to sack him,

The Trustees of the charity need to be sacked. They knew he was male after employing him, knew there were complaints about him and he didn't implement any of their directives.

nothingcomestonothing · 12/09/2024 22:59

murasaki · 12/09/2024 22:38

Yes, that was what i was saying. I used to be polite about it, I'm now not.

I wonder if those poor 4 women per week who had to see the awful Mr W knew what they were getting, his lack of qualifications and the fact that he probably got a kick out of listening to their trauma.

A survivor who had to endure propping up this vile man's ego Wadhwa's counselling posted on FWR a few years back. She said he scrolled on his phone during her counselling sessions.

Women used as cannon fodder for a man's wants, at a rape crisis service.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 23:00

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/09/2024 22:53

It's worse than that. Men are not 10% but 6% of the target population, so get proportionally not twice as much access but almost 4 times as much.

And that's before you consider Sarah's case. Which showed that - at least in Brighton - men-only sessions were genuinely men only; trans-only sessions were genuinely trans-only; but 'women-only' sessions allowed men to attend.

Edited

Thanks for clarifying the maths.

Gosh, that's a lot more access to services than women.

murasaki · 12/09/2024 23:01

nothingcomestonothing · 12/09/2024 22:59

A survivor who had to endure propping up this vile man's ego Wadhwa's counselling posted on FWR a few years back. She said he scrolled on his phone during her counselling sessions.

Women used as cannon fodder for a man's wants, at a rape crisis service.

That's appalling. And further underlines the unprofessional nature of this man. That poor woman.

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2024 23:04

NoBinturongsHereMate · 12/09/2024 22:53

It's worse than that. Men are not 10% but 6% of the target population, so get proportionally not twice as much access but almost 4 times as much.

And that's before you consider Sarah's case. Which showed that - at least in Brighton - men-only sessions were genuinely men only; trans-only sessions were genuinely trans-only; but 'women-only' sessions allowed men to attend.

Edited

IIRC Sarah explained that she was in a ‘women’ only counselling session when a tall male, dressed in male clothes, looking completely male came in and sat down. Didn’t say a word but sat there smiling as the women spoke about their experiences of being sexually assaulted and no one challenged him or suggested he leave. When Sarah asked the centre about this, she was the one advised to look elsewhere for counselling because the centre was ‘trans inclusive’. This craziness has reached shocking and infuriating proportions. What is particularly infuriating is how other women collude with this very male display of domination.

murasaki · 12/09/2024 23:07

Sarah's case has been so delayed, unreasonably for her well being (and still needs more funds), but I do wonder if the delay could be beneficial given how much more sunlight is being shone on this shitshow.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 23:13

Saind3rs · 12/09/2024 17:08

If men aren’t to be involved at all the whole system needs changing as currently males experiencing rape struggle to get the support they need. My son was raped and got nothing as the rape support centre would only let him access support 1 day a week which he couldn’t do as opposed to the 4 days a week women were offered because he couldn’t be on the premises. Men, women and trans should all get the same level of support. Rape is Rape. The whole system needs overhauling. He has still had zilch and is expected to process a court case and the rape itself on the back of zero therapy and support. Women only spaces shouldn’t be protected at the expense of male survivors. I don’t understand why there aren’t separate buildings offering exactly the same.

I'm sorry your son didn't get the support he needed. But using the information in your post and widely available statistics (and basic maths), this means that your son still got 4x the access to services as was available to women. I do believe you when you say it wasn't enough. Women also don't get enough. Were it not for Beira's place women in Edinburgh would have access to exactly 0 rape support if they cannot cope with mixed sex services .

Men don't get the same size rape crisis buildings as women because there aren't as many men who are raped. They still get more access to services than their equivalent female victim.

We don't expect men to get exactly the same number of breast cancer appointments as women as men get breast cancer at a much lower rate. We don't expect women to get the same number of appointments put aside for prostate cancer (because women don't get prostate cancer).

It's a shame that rape crisis centres up and down the country are mired in the mess of transgender ideology and the many court cases that will be coming their way rather than prioritising single sex rape counselling for both sexes. What a waste of money it all is and a huge diversion from providing the services needed for both sexes purely because instead of doing their jobs they've been acting in the service of an abusive ideology.

CrochetForLife · 12/09/2024 23:18

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 20:34

FFS. Mridul had no interest in actually helping raped females did he?

Not even remotely. Mridul is simply a sexual predator. That like any sexual predator or paedophile chose to work where he had the most access to his sexual obsession, in his case, raped women and girls. Asking a rape victim if she 'orgasmed' during the rape shows the he the sexual predator 'got off' himself, on hearing about rapes. He chose his job because he has a rape fetish. So, like hell am I ever going to validate a man who has "lived as a woman", especially when he is a sexual predator who 'orgasms' himself over women being raped. He is lower than maggot shit.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 12/09/2024 23:23

Yes there's no valid reason for that question. The only possibility is that MW is an abuser.

FOJN · 12/09/2024 23:53

Allthehorsesintheworld · 12/09/2024 22:43

WHAT?
What counselling qualifications does this person have and from where?

Fuck all relevant to the job but a PhD in misogyny.

PollyDactyl · 13/09/2024 00:25

I used to amuse myself by calling him Mr Idul privately.

I see none of the usual scolders have driven by. Can't imagine why, hmmmmmmm.

To the Mum with a lad who was raped, I am so sorry, your poor boy.

Thank you OP for the thread and all for the links and interpretations and explanations.

WandsOut · 13/09/2024 00:57

Who were the directors of Scottish Rape Crisis when Mirdul was employed?

x.com/wingsscotland/status/1834181982848163932?s=46

unmemorableusername · 13/09/2024 06:34

A disgusting disgrace.

334bu · 13/09/2024 06:55

This article gives a disturbing insight into the culture at Rape Crisis Scotland.

https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,how-a-service-set-up-for-traumatised-women-forgot-its-core-function