To not understand the obsession with ‘doodle’ breeds

[CherryValley5]

Eg: labradoodles, cockapoos etc.

They are absolutely everywhere! Why are people actively seeking out and paying pedigree prices for dogs that are effectively mongrels? Behavioural problems are all too common, not to mention hereditary health issues due to poor and unethical breeding - I am a dog owner and the vast majority of doodles, ‘poo’ breeds etc that I meet are incredibly hyperactive, with owners who have no clue how to deal with them. Obviously there are exceptions, some are lovely but as a rule of thumb they’re dogs that I tend to cross the street to get mine away from.

The breeder who created the labradoodle calls it his ‘life’s regret’ - that speaks volumes in my opinion!

Oh and both parents are pedigree. The breeder still has both and sends me pics annually. Mum, Isobel, is a tall cavalier King Charles and dad, Reggie, is an apricot poodle.

I have a lovely Cookerpoo.... but unfortunately for her, she's inherited the high energy, bounce and intelligence from both breeds. She's impossible to keep just as a pet, therefore she failed in a home with DC and pt working parent once the cute puppy honeymoon was over.
She definitely needed more stimulation & exercise... that's why I rescued her. She's a brilliant agility dog but would never have made it as a pet only.

Working breeds need to be given a job...

A cockerpoo isn't a working breed, unless one of its parents is a working cocker. Working cockers are very high energy indeed.

Got all of that thanks. I know many pedigree breeders who don’t provide half of that. Your sweeping assumption that pedigree equals good breeder and cockapoo equals bad by default is worrying.

I have a working cocker, he's the best dog that ever lived.
Yes he can be cheeky and constantly steals slippers but he's the most affectionate and playful dog we have ever had.
I would consider a cockerpoo.
I've met a few as my friends have them and all are lovely and although lively I would say well behaved when they need to be.
All dogs can be badly bred.
All dogs need training and a consistent owner.

Cockapoos are mostly half show cockers not working cockers.

I know quite a few poo types via friends, family and neighbours and they are all, without exception, lovely, well balanced, happy good dogs.

i've got a selection of rescue mutts and often quietly envy friends their easy-going pups.

Where I live there are very few and they seem to all be quite elderly. There are nowhere near as many as there are massive English bulldogs, French bulldogs and pugs. They are abominations if ever there was one and I never fail to feel sad, looking at them. They can't even breathe or bark properly. I honestly think people who buy those breeds should be ashamed of themselves. I'm hoping the next trend will be for nice, healthy (well trained) dogs. Because, very sadly, there are trends and there will always be fashionable breeds chosen purely for their looks, in spite of how those particular looks harm the dog itself.

If you actually read my previous comments, I've clearly stated that many puppy farmers breed KC registered dogs.

But yes, any "cockapoo" breeder is bad.

No, purebreds are only purebreds when they breed true for a number of generations. Up to that point they are a breed under development.

The difference with a breed under development and the multitude of poo crosses, is the poo crosses are typically first generation ie poodle x xyz breed. Not a generation much further removed from the foundation breeds and a result of a considered breeding plan to achieve desired characteristics.

Even the cross outs that have been allowed in some breeds to correct faults are very carefully considered. Not just two random dogs whacked together to create a cute name.

I think people like them because they're (supposed to be) hypoallergenic, and because they look like an idealised/stereotypical 'cute dog' – I think they look more like teddy bears than real animals. I can see why they appeal to people, particularly children, although their appearance is not my bag.

I do think crossing, say, a food-oriented and wilful Lab with a high-energy and intelligent working breed like a poodle is a recipe for disaster though.

I also think buying pets is morally indefensible, whatever the species/type/breed.

It is noticeable in my neighbourhood, where there are a lot of dogs, that these types are the ones whose owners are the most useless; it's almost always one of these that runs up in the park and sticks its nose in someone's bag/lunch, or 'challenges' another person's dog, while the whippets/lurchers/Staffies/spaniels/mutts all walk quietly with their owners or trot about on their own and avoid other people. I think 'poo' owners are more likely to have got them on a whim/in a pandemic haze, and to be ill-informed about how to handle and train a dog.
Pity: I'm sure they can be delightful if handled properly.

Poodles don’t shed, just get a poodle.

Missing the point but the first time I read this I thought it said doodle bread!

I've linked research earlier in the thread which says this isn't the case

This is a poodle.

I've asked previously but it's been ignored - where's the uproar for the badly breed, ohso importantly - pedigree dogs?

What do you mean " they should not be treated in the same way as a pedigree. It is not ethical or responsible."
I just treat my dog (spoodle) as a dog..
i wanted a non-shedding puppy,. decent temperament , relatively small and yes cute ..but i wasn't that bothered ( well i would have loved a puli/commodore ...) and of the dogs i could find (and i looked at pure bred poodles, cocker spaniels etc) (and we couldn't find rescue dogs) - she was the best fit (private breeder etc)
way before lockdown..well behaved and very bright

It sounds like you should have got that Commodore instead of an animal. 😂

I think you mean Komondor.

I spoke to a lady last week. My well behaved poodle sat and waited whilst we chatted. Her labradoodle was jumping up and biting the lead. I asked her why they had chosen a labradoodle and she replied that they had to have one, as they have allergies in the family.

This doesn’t make any sense at all.

What's wrong with owning a mongrel...?

The current trend appears to be dachshunds where I live.

Good grief, the snipey, snobby snidey comments on this thread are reminding me that on the whole dogs are generally nicer than actual people....pedigree or not! 😂

@Milly16 well, I don't know the dogs parents but know both the Poodle & any Spaniel are working dogs. You can't eliminate 100's of years of breeding in a few decades... You'll always get Tat One as a throw back once in a while. Even with pet breeding. Because pets to the quantities & breeds we are seeing now are a very recent thing.

I can say with certainty that mine isn't a pet, she's in touch with her working ancestors... if you met her you'd pick up on that energy straight away.

Essentially nothing is wrong with owning a mongrel. However it’s well known that poodle crosses tend to result in crazy dogs.

I have the same conversation daily. People ask me if mine is a cockapoo, I reply no, she’s a poodle. They then say, ‘is she nuts like our cockapoo?’

Even our vet commented to us. She said it was really nice to see an actual poodle, as they have so many cockapoos coming in with behaviour problems.

Yes there are a few around here too. They usually come in sets of 3, of which at least one is being carried.