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About my ex using my house as a base for DS

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MyHouseIsABusStop · 11/09/2024 10:20

Really didn't know how to title this.

I need some perspective and opinions please as I’m on the verge of going nuclear and don’t know if that’s reasonable. (I have NC for this as details could be outing and don’t want this linked to my previous posts)

My ex and I separated 10 years ago, we have a 14yr old DS that we are supposed to share 50/50, but the reality is more 60/40 or less.

I have lived in village A for the last 10years, ex lives in Town B since we split, and has since moved a further 6km to the opposite side of Town B. I moved outside of Village A a few years ago, closer to Town B and am now about 13km from Town B. Village A and Town B are 20km from each other.

My son attended primary school in Town B, where he was driven to school each day, and is now in his 3rd year of secondary school in Village A.

DS now gets a bus to school in Village A. I am lucky that the bus is walking distance from my house, about 2mins. Having done the longer commute to Town B for 8 years, this is a blessing.

However, my ex has for the last 2 years been dropping DS to my house before the bus whenever he wants to go to work early, and he leaves DS go to my house after the bus in the evenings. And despite me saying numerous times that this is not always convenient numerous times, it looks like it’s going to continue for this year again.

I have a number of issues with this:

1 - I have a BF, who I have not introduced to my DS, and it is not always convenient for DS to be dropped early and out of the blue. If my BF has stayed the night before, I need to have him up out of the house before my DS gets there. I don’t even get proper notice. It was 10pm last night when my DS text me telling me his Dad was dropping him 40mins before the bus (I hate the fact his father makes him text me about this, DS is always apologetic which he absolutely shouldn’t be). I did not see this until 6.30am this morning, at which point I had to get BF up out of bed so he was gone in time. Sad thing about this is that we hadn’t seen each other in over a week as he was away, was really looking forward to a nice lazy coffee in bed, but that couldn’t happen.

2- The evenings DS comes to my house after the bus, I would say 80% of the time even when he is supposed to be with his father, the heating needs to be turned on, I need to ensure there’s food for after school meal etc. I hate begrudging this, but it adds up, especially during the winter and I’ve never received a penny from his father due to the loose 50/50 arrangement.

The Summer was also a disaster, on the days DS father was due to pick him up, he was leaving him at my house all day until the evening. On the days DS was due to return home to me, he was being dropped at 7.30 most mornings, meaning some days, where he should have had him for 24 hours, he was having him for just over 12, not worrying about what he was going to do all day, not providing breakfast or lunch.

I’m just sick of it, just because I live 2 mins from the bus stop, I don’t see why he thinks he can just use me as a base to drop his son off to facilitate his work schedule.

I hate begrudging this, I love my son dearly, I love seeing him, but I hate facilitating his father’s work schedule, and I hate my son being apologetic because of it. I have never asked him to facilitate mine, never dropped my son to his house 45mins before primary school because I had to work and he was closer for 8 years, never left him at his house until late in the evening on my days… I just sorted my work schedule to fit around my parenting responsibilities.

Am I being unreasonable here? I’m at the verge of telling him I’m going to cancel the bus, which would mean his father would need to travel and extra 7km there and back morning and evening. I’ve thought about telling him there is not going to be a key left in the key box for my son to gain access to the house on his days, but at the end of the day it’s my son who will suffer because of this.

What can I reasonably do here?

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:02

Thudercatsrule · 11/09/2024 13:57

Wow....you sound like a real treat! "his son"

I’ve seen this used literally dozens of times on MN to make the point that the child is the responsibility of both parents, not just one. His dad is abdicating his responsibility and clearly sees his son as an inconvenience and the OP is getting shit for it. OK then.

Jazzjazzyjulez · 11/09/2024 14:02

dcsp · 11/09/2024 13:50

But if she was away from home overnight, it would be a sensible security measure to remove her key from the key safe, so she would've done.

And without that key, the child wouldn't be able to access.

So literally locking your son out of the house. What if he needs a PE kit or the school finishes early as its a snow day or you know he just wants to go to his house?

I get the 50/50 contact thing but surely as a teen he should be able to come and go as he pleases like he would in a co-parenting household.

It seems really mean to deny him access to his house out with a rigid timetable and make his apologise every time it is slightly off schedule .

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:04

Naunet · 11/09/2024 13:34

It’s interesting that not once have you mentioned the impact his father will be having on him in making him feel unwelcome and passing him off to OP at every opportunity. Maybe the lad is just mature enough to understand what his dad is playing at, and is actually apologising because he feels bad for his mum?

This. At the age of 14 he’ll be starting to have some understanding of the situation and realise how unfair his dad is being - both in his shit attitude towards time spent with his son, and leaving the OP to pick up the slack.

dcsp · 11/09/2024 14:05

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:04

This. At the age of 14 he’ll be starting to have some understanding of the situation and realise how unfair his dad is being - both in his shit attitude towards time spent with his son, and leaving the OP to pick up the slack.

The answer for all of those circumstances is: he goes to his dad's

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:05

Jazzjazzyjulez · 11/09/2024 14:02

So literally locking your son out of the house. What if he needs a PE kit or the school finishes early as its a snow day or you know he just wants to go to his house?

I get the 50/50 contact thing but surely as a teen he should be able to come and go as he pleases like he would in a co-parenting household.

It seems really mean to deny him access to his house out with a rigid timetable and make his apologise every time it is slightly off schedule .

OP isn’t making him apologise. She said he does this himself, so perhaps he has some understanding of the situation his dad has created. And I don’t think the OP is following through on removing the key because she acknowledges that DS will be the one to suffer.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:06

dcsp · 11/09/2024 14:05

The answer for all of those circumstances is: he goes to his dad's

Doesn’t look likely though does it ?

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Mumofoneandone · 11/09/2024 14:09

You mention your ex and leaving due to abuse. He is basically continuing this through his actions with your son. He's keeping you on the hop by not sticking to an agreement.
Whilst it might go neculer, I would gather evidence of the lack of 50/50 and go through CMS. Be prepared for the fallout and solicitors if needs be (possibly check where your son wants to live).
Stand up to this man who is still trying to control your life through his actions.
Best wishes

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2024 14:09

Schoolchoicesucks · 11/09/2024 13:34

I agree that this is your son's home and he should be welcome and "at home" there 24/7.

In your shoes, I would assume that he may be dropped off early for school any time he was at his dad's overnight.

If the additional costs of heating/snacks are an issue then you need to address this either with ex "we have 5050 but I am paying the bulk of the heating/snack costs and you need to contribute £x a month" or by letting DS know to put on an jumper/eat toast.

The boyfriend means either he's always planning to be up and out early, or only stays at weekends when DS definitely won't be dropped off early, or you stay at his and DS knows you won't be home that morning because xyz reason (but he could presumably still let himself in to wait for bus).

So despite a firm 50/50 agreement, OP should just pick up the slack and plan her life around her ex dropping off their son whenever he feels like it ? That’s not good for OP and it’s not good for DS who already feels as though he has to apologise for coming home early. The only person who benefits is shit dad.

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 11/09/2024 14:11

dcsp · 11/09/2024 14:05

The answer for all of those circumstances is: he goes to his dad's

That’s sorted then 🤣!

The answer is give a 14 year old some autonomy over his own life and deal with the ex and CMS separately.

Stop making the DC feel like he has to apologise on all fronts for or to either of his parents.

comingintomyown · 11/09/2024 14:12

Goodness some of the posts on here !
I also read the apology from the OPs DS being due to awareness his DF isn’t keeping his end of the deal not because he is quaking at coming home off schedule.
I think unless you have been through this process it’s hard to get how infuriating this kind of situation is, yes of course the child will always come first but it’s invariably the Mother who picks up the extra costs and work load and is expected to be fine with that or she’s being hard faced, as a pp said where are the comments on the Father in this scenario?
One of my DC stopped going on the mid week visit and then gradually stopped going weekends as well, it was frustrating but it was driven by them not my ex which is different to your scenario OP. Only you know your ex but unless you are confident of him acknowledging these early drop offs aren’t ok then I would leave it and accept that in all likelihood this is the way it will go more and more as your DS considers your house to be his home.

BobVanceVanceRefridgeration · 11/09/2024 14:12

Have I wandered into some alternative universe?

OP is the bad guy as she doesn't want to introduce her boyfriend to her son?

She hasn't locked her son out, doesn't make him apologise, would LOVE to have him FT but simply doesn't want to have her schedule ruined by her ex changing plans at the last minute, opting out of parenting, relying on HER house/food to provide for their son on HIS time.

I would hate to not know day to day what my children's schedule was going to be.

I can't help you word it as I wouldn't know where to start but I agree a firm text is required

5starzz · 11/09/2024 14:15

dcsp · 11/09/2024 14:05

The answer for all of those circumstances is: he goes to his dad's

I disagree - I would not want my DC - especially in the sensitive teenage years - to spend any time or be in any environment where he is not prioritised and cherished never mind resented.

Ask you DS where he wants to be - where he feels safe and emotionally nourished - this may change day by day but he should be encouraged to have the autonmy to seek out the warmth and comfort of the good relationships in his life and not stand on ceremony for those where he is seen as an inconvenince or a burden as that will wreck his self esteem. Ensure he knows how he feels and that he has agency to vote with his feet.

Dhama · 11/09/2024 14:15

Jeez OP you’ve had some absolute batshit replies here, not to mention a whole load of projection and conjecture.

FWIW If I were you I’d be talking to my son about whether he wants to continue 50/50 in the first instance- or if you don’t want to have that conversation I would contact the ex to say he clearly isn’t sticking to 50/50 so he needs to acknowledge that and look at changing the arrangement or actually sticking to it.
But you really aren’t being unreasonable in the slightest

Paganpentacle · 11/09/2024 14:21

Pandapandapandapandapanda · 11/09/2024 11:52

The problem is that as a Mum you do not value the fact that your 14 year old son is a person, a human being and not an object to split 50/50!!!!!

Your ex is not the problem here.

The ex very much is the problem in that OP cannot arrange her life and plans without him buggering it up to suit himself.

thoroughlypickled · 11/09/2024 14:22

TwinklyAmberOrca · 11/09/2024 10:53

I would suggest that clearly the 50/50 thing isn't working, and needs to be changed to perhaps 80/20 with him seeing his dad every other weekend and perhaps ONE night a week overnight (where he picks up him from school and drops him the next day).

You can then have the child maintenance payment adjusted to cover the extra costs.

What he's doing is claiming 50% custody yet just having him sleep in a bed at his house without much of the parenting bit.

Arrange a meeting with each other to discuss this.

Yes to this.

sunshine244 · 11/09/2024 14:22

Your ex is clearly being an idiot here but I don't think it's the biggest red flag of the situation.

You are effectively trying to live two entirely separate lives and your son is only welcome in one of those situations.

It's not good to introduce a partner too soon. But you've had a previous 3 year relationship without introducing them. I find that not only odd but very sad. Wouldn't you want the people you love to get to know each other?

Do you also control who else your partner is allowed to meet - friends and family?

PixieLaLar · 11/09/2024 14:26

If you think the only way a mother is provably a 'good' parent is by sacrificing her whole existence/life to that child, and by always being a doormat to the father, then you need therapy

I wouldn’t really class making your kid feel welcome and not an inconvenience to be in their own home outside of a 50:50 arrangement ‘sacrificing her whole existence/life’ but cool.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 11/09/2024 14:27

like simply not being there and refusing to let DS be dropped off to an empty house when he should be with his dad.

He's 14! Most 14 year olds tend to have some ability to come and go from their home as they please

MartinCrieffsLemon · 11/09/2024 14:31

MyHouseIsABusStop · 11/09/2024 11:47

I won't be introducing them, I have plenty of time on my own (or should) to have a relationship. I don't want to complicate my son's life by making him anyway aware or involved with my dating life. I'd sooner give up the relationship, but I don't want it to come to that when the problem here is ex not sticking to the agreed 50/50.

I wouldn't be comfortable with leaving him in the room while DS is there, it happened once before when ex dropped son without warning. Once son went to the bus, I had a panic attack and burst into tears. I felt like the biggest piece of shit and the worst mother ever that morning. It's not fair on DS to have people in the house when he's there and him not be aware.

This is a YOU problem

You're being worse by not introducing your son and making him feel like he is unwelcome in his own home

He's 14, he's old enough to know you are dating. In fact he might be more hurt you kept him away from a long term relationship and hid it from him,

AnonymousBleep · 11/09/2024 14:32

Dhama · 11/09/2024 14:15

Jeez OP you’ve had some absolute batshit replies here, not to mention a whole load of projection and conjecture.

FWIW If I were you I’d be talking to my son about whether he wants to continue 50/50 in the first instance- or if you don’t want to have that conversation I would contact the ex to say he clearly isn’t sticking to 50/50 so he needs to acknowledge that and look at changing the arrangement or actually sticking to it.
But you really aren’t being unreasonable in the slightest

Agree with this.

You're not being unreasonable and you shouldn't just have to 'put up and shut up' because your ex is pretending he's doing 50-50 to get out of paying child support. I know that you probably don't want to get into a long and tedious battle with him about maintenance but the reality is that he's not paying enough, so really you don't have a lot of choice but to tell him he either has to do 50 per cent of the parenting - which means not dumping your son on you the moment he becomes inconvenient - or pay more maintenance. He'll scream and moan, obviously. But I'm not sure what else you can do, really. I'm sorry the family courts are so shit and that standards for what constitutes parenting for dads are so low.

Gogogo12345 · 11/09/2024 14:33

My son at that age just rocked up to whatever house he fancied going to. Why would be wake you up on your day off though? Surely he can just be told to come in quietly.

As for the boyfriend thing I don't really have much advice. My DS knew about my partner ( as did my ex) so wasn't any big deal ( we didn't and still don't live together)

MartinCrieffsLemon · 11/09/2024 14:35

MyHouseIsABusStop · 11/09/2024 12:22

I've previously had relationships of 3yrs and 2.5years without the need to involve my son. I intend to do the same this time. My son is my focus until he leaves home for college.

He's NOT your focus if you are dating though
If he was then you wouldn't date and hide your life from him

PixieLaLar · 11/09/2024 14:39

MartinCrieffsLemon · 11/09/2024 14:31

This is a YOU problem

You're being worse by not introducing your son and making him feel like he is unwelcome in his own home

He's 14, he's old enough to know you are dating. In fact he might be more hurt you kept him away from a long term relationship and hid it from him,

I agree with this!
You are creating a problem that isn’t even there.

The kids 14 it won’t be long before he starts having relationships of his own. Will his partners not be allowed in the home unless it’s on a pre approved schedule too?

PotatoBreadForTheWin · 11/09/2024 14:42

Replies are bonkers here

OP you sound like a great mum, I'm sure your DS knows how much he is loved and welcome in his own home. I think your plan to suggest an official non-50/50 arrangement is best. See if you can get some CM from ex too