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School banning banter

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Citrusblast92u · 10/09/2024 07:45

DS is in year 11. They had a whole school assembly yesterday's entitled 'banning bants', this includes banter between friends. One strike and they're in detention, 2 and they have to attend a workshop, 3 and parents have to attend the workshop, 4 and the police are called.

I asked him what they meant by bants and he said anything that anyone might find offensive. His mates have spent many hours at our house. They're a lovely bunch of lads, very polite and kind but their main form of communication with each other is piss taking.

Just after some opinions really rather than an AIBU.

Yabu-banter should be banned
Yanbu-they can't ban banter

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Hereforaglance · 10/09/2024 20:45

DoreenonTill8 · 10/09/2024 20:41

@hereforaglance...
Allo allo; Dad's Army; hi de hi....
Prepare for shockery...!🫣😆

Omg hi de hi sue pollard who could forget def rewatching that not for nostalgia purpose mind but to be offended I promise

Must nip to Asda n get some snacks being offended gonna be hungry work now I think about it

Hereforaglance · 10/09/2024 20:48

Ladies we must not forget the carry on. Films. And the song fairytale of new York either or open all hours last of the summer wine and for goodness sake let's throw keeping up appearances in there someone please think of the children

SoTired12 · 10/09/2024 20:52

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 20:32

@MyUmberSeal but if these boys were going full on Andrew Tate in their banter but not actually directing it at anyone, would you think it was fine. Absolutely not going to cause problems is it having a group of lads with toxic misogynistic mindset

Women like you do more damage to children.

You raise girls to believe all men are sexist/misogynistic creatures who do nothing but take advantage and rape

You raise boys to believe they are inherently evil and need to be completely emasculated in order to be worthy

Pinkyponki · 10/09/2024 20:53

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MyUmberSeal · 10/09/2024 20:54

SoTired12 · 10/09/2024 20:52

Women like you do more damage to children.

You raise girls to believe all men are sexist/misogynistic creatures who do nothing but take advantage and rape

You raise boys to believe they are inherently evil and need to be completely emasculated in order to be worthy

🙌

Createausername1970 · 10/09/2024 20:55

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 20:25

Along with Only Fools & Horses. Del should be ashamed, sexist pig!🤣

Edited

Radio 4 extra should come with a free fire extinguisher, as a lot of the comedy dates from 60/70s and some listeners may run the risk of self combustion.

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 20:56

Interesting that many old comedies that are blatantly racist or homophobic are frowned upon now, some aren’t even shown anymore or haven’t aged well at all, but comedies that are misogynistic are perfectly fine. I suppose that explains why the majority of girls in school have experienced misogyny and that misogyny is still rife in many workplaces

Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 20:57

Why are you trying to suggest we are the permanently offended gang? Listing every comedy ever made like we would be offended at that too because we are so sensitive.

Schools are micro climates of society. If you worked with teenage boys at all you’d realise there is a massive issue with misogynistic and homophobic language, in particular. Language reflects values. Look at the threads on here over and over again about how husbands treat their wives. It starts when they are young. Surely you want a better society than that? Cracking down on the language they use as “banter” is a start.

It is depressing how you have trivialised this issue by making out me or anyone else who supports the school’s message as being an overly sensitive MN’er who needs to get a life.

SoTired12 · 10/09/2024 20:59

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😂
Careful now, one of them will report you for that 😱

MyUmberSeal · 10/09/2024 20:59

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 20:56

Interesting that many old comedies that are blatantly racist or homophobic are frowned upon now, some aren’t even shown anymore or haven’t aged well at all, but comedies that are misogynistic are perfectly fine. I suppose that explains why the majority of girls in school have experienced misogyny and that misogyny is still rife in many workplaces

They are only frowned upon by people that find them offensive. The rest of us still enjoy them. But alas, those who are offended shout the loudest and it drowns out everyone else who think more rationally.

Also, not all women feel like wimpering victim’s when a misogynistic comment is made.

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:04

@MyUmberSeal so you think there is nothing wrong with misogyny?

Pinkyponki · 10/09/2024 21:07

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NDmumoftwo · 10/09/2024 21:08

I'd like to understand whether the polic have been consulted on that.... I mean how seriously are they going to take it? Let the school threaten away

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 21:09

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Oh and that’s ok. 🙄

Applesarenice · 10/09/2024 21:09

Kids use ‘banter’ as a way of excusing horrible comments to each other. Its often taken the wrong way and they end up upset so it’s a good move to say it’s not allowed

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:12

@MyUmberSeal does your office banter include taking the piss out of your clients (both dead and alive)?

Hereforaglance · 10/09/2024 21:13

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Omg near spar my coffee out laughing have to go make another now ger

MyUmberSeal · 10/09/2024 21:13

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:12

@MyUmberSeal does your office banter include taking the piss out of your clients (both dead and alive)?

Just good old fashioned banter with colleagues. ❤️

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 21:16

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 20:56

Interesting that many old comedies that are blatantly racist or homophobic are frowned upon now, some aren’t even shown anymore or haven’t aged well at all, but comedies that are misogynistic are perfectly fine. I suppose that explains why the majority of girls in school have experienced misogyny and that misogyny is still rife in many workplaces

I can watch misogyny in sitcoms & it doesn’t bother me one iota.

Would I put up with it in real life? Absolutely not! I have high standards about behaviour from men. I hold my worth high.

I will teach my DD to be exactly the same. that’s all we can do, give them the tools to deal with it. It’s often how they’ve been brought up & as women have become more equal, it’s fed it. Comedies aren’t to blame, shitty men are.

Namechangejustincase24 · 10/09/2024 21:18

People who can’t see the difference between outdated comedy and child on child banter (bullying) must be a bit thick.

Hereforaglance · 10/09/2024 21:19

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:12

@MyUmberSeal does your office banter include taking the piss out of your clients (both dead and alive)?

Are you really in work if you are not gently bullying each other you need something to get you through the day

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:25

@Namechangeforcheese but why is misogyny still deemed okay in comedy shows but racism isn’t?

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 21:27

Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 20:57

Why are you trying to suggest we are the permanently offended gang? Listing every comedy ever made like we would be offended at that too because we are so sensitive.

Schools are micro climates of society. If you worked with teenage boys at all you’d realise there is a massive issue with misogynistic and homophobic language, in particular. Language reflects values. Look at the threads on here over and over again about how husbands treat their wives. It starts when they are young. Surely you want a better society than that? Cracking down on the language they use as “banter” is a start.

It is depressing how you have trivialised this issue by making out me or anyone else who supports the school’s message as being an overly sensitive MN’er who needs to get a life.

Most people do want a better society with girls & women treated how they should be. The world is a more awful place now with porn/SM. Banning banter won’t even scratch 1mm of this. Educating them will do a bit better but a lot is down to parents - teach your girls high self-worth & how they should be treated & teach your boys to respect girls. Instead of banning banter, target the people that are misogynistic/homophobic etc and come down on those like a tonne of bricks.

Banning WhatsApp/SM would be excellent.

Not you personally but I do find a high proportion on MN to be generally very offended about a lot of things.

pinkstripeycat · 10/09/2024 21:31

stripybobblehat · 10/09/2024 07:46

Seems fair enough. A lot of "bantz" is actually quite rude and wouldn't be acceptable in a workplace.

Unless you are in the forces or emergency services. It’s how they deal with trauma and difficult situations. That’s women and men.

The new name is bantz. It used to be called having a laugh. I’m not talking about treating woman inappropriately.

DH was army for 15yrs and police for 17yrs. My DS x 2 went to an all boys school. All men/boys together automatically take the micky out of each other.

For my kids being at an all boys school and having a veteran as a dad it’s what they are used to and it’s part of who they are. It’s definitely a man/boy thing and is very over the top to try and stop it.

The school is silly, boring and very woke. It’s breeding snowflakes.

Namechangejustincase24 · 10/09/2024 21:36

crumblingschools · 10/09/2024 21:25

@Namechangeforcheese but why is misogyny still deemed okay in comedy shows but racism isn’t?

No idea but much easier to avoid by just turning them off than having to sit next to someone for hours everyday dripping poison in your ear.