If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

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I’m definitely not a sneery anti-brexiter. I get that 50% of the population had legitimate concerns and did what they thought was best for the country. But my question is: did the thing that was so intolerable as a result of being a part of the EU get resolved for you by way of brexit?

I just don’t see what the point of it all was.

Yes, there are European immigrants who've been here for decades but were not allowed to vote on Brexit. Quite a few of my European friends have left the UK, taking their jobs and businesses with them. It's not the case that they left high paying jobs behind for UK people to step into. Their employers (mostly multinationals) on the whole allowed them to move and work from their new country. And then of course there are the organisations that moved as a whole, taking their contributions to the UK economy with them. The idea that Brexit was not going to affect the UK economy was always a bit silly for many reasons, and now evidence shows it's not true. I'm not massively affected, other than worries about economy, hassle with travelling to the EU, and huge extra cost for posting gifts to family in the EU. I'll move back as soon as my dc father allows me, which may not be for quite some time.

Yes,it is great that we had Truss and Sunak that were democratically elected. Notwithstanding the fact that we can get rid of the House of Lords when we want as well as the heredity monarchy who rule over us. This is why we need British democracy so that the people we elect decide on our lives.

By the way, what rules from the elected EU MEPs did you not like? The bits that regularised trade and standards to ensure the free flow of goods and services to unify standards that is usual in a free trade area or only the bits about bananas being straight? or did you not like the thing about human rights as it has European in the title so it should not apply to us?

Yes, Germans after the 1930’s wanted change. Not all change is good.

Hm. As an average Jo, I would measure the impact of Brexit's success in the everyday things that affect my family. So...

Food & leisure: I'm yet to see my wages go any further, COL is ridiculous - we are decent earners and still have to budget.
Health: I do not bother trying for GP appointments, unless it's the kids. My dentist is now fully private & no NHS ones locally.
Security: Car theft and stripping cars is through the roof here but no particular police presence or initiatives noted.
Schools: My children's class sizes have grown particularly the last 2 years through immigration and I haven't seen the resources/staffing at my kids school increase to accommodate this. There are no new schools planned for the area.
Work: I'm in the CS and they're cutting numbers & budgets. We have no staff in two very key areas affecting safety.

I mean, it may have been equally shit if we'd stayed but I would genuinely be interested in where I'm missing the positives that others are pleased about. It would really bring me some peace of mind I think.

https://www.ft.com/content/1b43b113-4dd0-4548-8bf8-0a629b3796c0

it has not benefitted women and screwed the country up. Hurrah for Brexit.

Data show retailers have retained 80% of savings since VAT was cut on sanitary products

But what was it you wanted?

Haha. Something that adds 0.004% to GDP? The EU has FTAs with most of these countries anyway and we would have benefitted from these agreements.

@MadeleineMummy as well as the heredity monarchy who rule over us.

When do you think they will be abolished?

And yet you can't provide a single example off the top of your head.....

I expect you to be able to evidence your claims, yes. Considering how absolute you are in your responses I'd have thought you'd have plenty to hand and just stating something is a fact doesn't make it so.

But no worries, lets look at the one of the most beloved anti-EU myths, the 'bendy banana' law. Brexiteers loved to use this as an example of the EUs overreach and bureaucracy gone mad. Only problem with this narrative is that it's entirely false.

Directive 2257/94, to give it its real name, was a regulation regarding the classification of bananas and had nothing to do with banning the sale of them.

The directive was developed, reviewed and adopted with full participation of the UK's EU representatives and widely supported by UK banana importers at the time as they had historic links to Caribbean banana producers.

This directive helped them compete on quality and consistency, provided a more level / fair route into the EU market and streamlined trade with them, and (probably most importantly in their eyes) allowed producers / importers / retailers to command a higher price for those Caribbean grown bananas.

But for the anti-EU brigade reality is irrelevant and it will also been known as the EU trying to ban bendy bananas. But if you've got any actual examples of the EU dictating rules to us that were too our detriment I'd love to here them.

Brexiteers hate evidencing their claims.

Makes me laugh.

@EasternStandard

'It's really not Brexit, it's increased movement which some countries will try to counter and others won't. No one has been sending people back in large numbers using the Dublin agreement, look at the numbers they were tiny, eg about 500 per year and we took more than sent back. '
But that proves the point; the Dublin Agreement was a deterrent therefore not many came so not many had to be sent back. Since Brexit the numbers have exploded.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/15/small-boats-industry-science-brexit-made-our-lives-worse

It's not a deterrent in any way, in any of the EU countries, that's not what it's for.

You also skipped the question on Germany

They are still in the EU. Why are they struggling with the same issue?

Didn't this false story come from a certain journalist covering the EU at the time?
A certain Boris Johnson if I recall. If don't think even his best friends would argue that he has more than a passing relationship with the truth.

Finally got one benefit. Not getting the neutered iPhone 16 EU version 😆

@EasternStandard
The original question refers to Brexit and the UK. We could argue all day about immigration in other countries.
The article that I linked to refers to the effect of Brexit in the UK.

Ok so no answer on Germany which is still within the EU.

I take it you can see your argument re the Dublin agreement is incorrect, it's ok to say so.

@EasternStandard
No - I'm not incorrect nor is the professor who will have looked at all of the relevant stats. I'll agree to disagree with you.

I find leavers framing EU directives as “them” telling “us” to do stuff a bit daft.

We were as much part of it as every other member, therefore it was “us” telling “us”.

Is it your belief that only the UK are struggling with asylum / migration issues due to Brexit?

Have you looked at what is happening elsewhere at all?

Brexit vote was 8 years ago. I can’t even be bothered to think about it any more. The majority wanted to leave, we have, and life goes on. 🙄

You can guarantee without fail you will always get at least one reply like every time one of these popped up. People who chose to remain think they have a complete understanding of politics and anyone who disagrees at the time or now is obviously just stupid or didn't know what they were voting for.
It just getting beyond silly now the majority of people in the United Kingdom wanted to leave so we did.

And did you get what you wanted?

Erm...£350,000,000 a week please.