If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

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I’m definitely not a sneery anti-brexiter. I get that 50% of the population had legitimate concerns and did what they thought was best for the country. But my question is: did the thing that was so intolerable as a result of being a part of the EU get resolved for you by way of brexit?

I just don’t see what the point of it all was.

It is getting more than this

Your Guardian link says;

Staggeringly, Brooks found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before” – not one case.

Two reports here - April and May 2016 - also in the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/29/nineteen-rescued-inflatable-boat-english-channel-kent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/14/two-men-rescued-after-trying-to-row-across-channel-in-dinghy

Also, how does Prof Brooks explain this from July 2015;

Calais: man killed as migrants make 1,500 attempts to enter Eurotunnel site.

UK home secretary to chair Cobra emergency meeting after body of Sudanese man found amid latest mass attempt to cross Channel to England.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/29/calais-one-dead-1500-migrants-storm-eurotunnel-terminal

So what . The point is whether it is receiving an Extra £ 350m per week. But of course you know that

My post was to LondonLass61

It's madness because 2002 was the peak for asylum claims at 84,132

I think the pp believes no one was crossing pre Brexit. It's really not the case.

Spending increases announced for NHS England's budget mean that £20.5 billion more will be spent on it in 2023/24 than in 2018/19. That's £394 million more a week by 2023/24.

https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-million-more/

There is no guaranteed extra money to pay for this increased NHS funding from stopping our payments to the EU budget. Other costs associated with Brexit are expected to outweigh the savings.

User135644
Tony Blair said the other day we've just replaced single Europeans who'd come here to work, with families from Africa and Asia.

How does Tony Blair explain 130,000 Polish children registered in the UK in 2009?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/27/poland-immigration-uk-economic-crisis

Why was the Labour government funding child benefit for more than 50,000 children of EU workers even though the children still lived in their home countries?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224503/Taxpayers-20m-benefits-Polish-children--stepped-foot-Britain.html

And why did Roma communities in the UK substantially increase from 2004?

https://www.channel4.com/news/immigration-roma-migrants-bulgaria-romania-slovakia-uk

The estimate was actually 0.04% or 0.08% from DIT - however both estimates were static, based on current membership, not based on what future membership might look like;

The economic benefit of CPTPP increases as the commitments within the agreement are developed further and the agreement itself grows to include new members. So far, China, Taiwan, Ecuador, Costa Rica and Uruguay have applied to join. More recently Ukraine has joined this list. South Korea, Thailand and the Philippines have all also expressed an interest...

https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/tax/research/the-uk-in-cptpp-our-analysis.html

I do not think it means what you think it means 😂

Shakeoffyourchains
lets look at the one of the most beloved anti-EU myths, the 'bendy banana' law. Brexiteers loved to use this as an example of the EUs overreach and bureaucracy gone mad. Only problem with this narrative is that it's entirely false.
Directive 2257/94, to give it its real name, was a regulation regarding the classification of bananas and had nothing to do with banning the sale of them.

So, the standards do indeed say that excessively bendy bananas may not be sold for human consumption, but can be for industrial processing. So something is banned under the regulation: excessively bendy bananas being sold for direct human consumption.

However, that's not actually what the problem with this is. The problem is that this regulation has the force of law. It is, in theory, possible that someone could be prosecuted for selling bendy (OK, too bendy) bananas for human consumption.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/

November 2008

A leading supermarket has been forced to ditch a healthy eating campaign at the eleventh hour after discovering its staff could be individually prosecuted under EU regulations.

Sainsbury's planned to launch Halloween 'zombie brains' cauliflowers, 'witches fingers' carrots and 'ogres toenails' cucumbers using under-sized and misshapen vegetables that are currently banned from sale.

'We knew it was illegal but we were happy to take that risk as a company and say: "Bring it on, EU."

'But last week we discovered it wouldn't actually be us as a company that would be prosecuted. It would be individual store managers. And, obviously we could not ask our staff to risk a criminal record for the good of the company.'

The supermarket chain has now launched a 'Save Our British Fruit and Veg' campaign, in a bid to force the EU to relax its strict specifications on selling cheaper 'imperfect' fresh produce.

Strict EU regulations dictate the shape, size and appearance of 36 fruits and vegetables. For example, it is illegal for supermarkets to sell a cauliflower less than 11cm in diameter, carrots that are forked (with more than one root) or onions with less than two-thirds covered in skin.

The regulations have long caused outrage among farmers, retailers and environmentalists, including the Prince of Wales, whose own 'knobbly' organic carrots have been rejected for sale.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/nov/02/sainsbury-supermarkets-eu-regulation-halloween

Poppyzbrite4

Yes, I did get what I wanted. I wanted us leave and that's what happened.

I also gave up justifying my decision on here years ago because apparently all leavers 51.9% are stupid and only the remainders really understand politics.

But like I said i'm not going to go over numerous conversations over and over again it's been 8 years time to move on and appreciate life what we have got.

Well well in C'n'p inova spamming threads with old links again

Are posters still going after one poster like this..

Of course. But Clav is only "spamming". Despite the question actually being for Leave voters.

A brief summary would be sufficient.
Interested to know the benefits we have as a result of Brexit.

@Mabelthebore . The benefit is simply not being in the EU.

All the other benefits/ losses like trade, holidays, immigration are negotiable and will change over time, for better or worse. The Common Market was fine, being part of a small trading partnership. Being part of a massive federal Europe was not.

Unfortunately with this answer you are just reaffirming the attitude that those who voted for Brexit are stupid.

I don't think you are stupid, I know people had their reasons. I was interested to know what benefits you feel.

Thank you for this.

I voted Leave. Don't regret it. Do think it could have been handled better and am pissed off at the wasted time spent due to those remoaners battling against the result.

Had we still been just in the EEC, I would have voted remain. However, as this poster says, there is the aim of ever closer union, and I don't think it is in the best interests of any of the member countries to be forced into a United States of Europe.

Interestingly, although we have only seen small growth it is better than Germany. We are not the only part of Europe dealing with a cost of living crisis due to the rise in energy prices as a result of the war in Ukraine.

Due to that and Covid, it's very difficult to assess the impact of Brexit on its own, almost everything is all mixed together. Import duties and immigration are perhaps the only things I can think of which I think can be quantified.

It's interesting that the French don't care about the boats heading our way. The people in Calais where they all congregate might feel differently. After all, if there was no opportunity for them to get the UK, there would be no need for them to loiter there. It would therefore also benefit that part of France if we could find a solution.

As far as I am aware at least six of my links are new.

We had a veto in a limited number of specific policy areas (plus a few opt outs);

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/unanimity/

Otherwise -
"Qualified majority is the most widely used voting method in the Council."

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/qualified-majority/

@Mabelthebore . Ok well I guess @Fifthtimelucky spelt out why leaving was benefit enough. I get the feeling Remain is not good with intangibles.

Many things which are difficult are better long term. Climate change happens because cars, central heating and consumerism are all brilliant benefits humans enjoy. Until we pay the price with global warming.
We have the Egyptian pyramids and beautiful 1000 year old cathedrals because there was an elite that huge wealth at the expense of cheap labour.
Its great in the U.K. that we have cheap, delicious food available pretty much round the clock. Until it makes us fat and ill.

I don't know why people can't accept that for some Leave voters, not being in the organisation that is the EU is the actual benefit.

Yeah I just love the huge queues at passport control when I go away. It’s so much better queuing for an hour than being waved through in 2 mins.

Because there are so many benefits to being in the EU which have now been lost.
Because being out of the EU will bring very few if any benefits.
Because the arguments put forward by the leave campaign have been proven to be lies and have not materialised.
Because it's better to be part of a group than isolate yourself from your neighbours both in the short term and the long term.

Because blindly voting for something without weighing up the costs and benefits and still supporting it even though it is has been hugely detrimental to your country and being unable to analyse it intellectually is I am sorry to say "stupid" and this is why people cannot accept or understand it.