If you voted for brexit did you get what you wanted?

[Poutl]

I’m definitely not a sneery anti-brexiter. I get that 50% of the population had legitimate concerns and did what they thought was best for the country. But my question is: did the thing that was so intolerable as a result of being a part of the EU get resolved for you by way of brexit?

I just don’t see what the point of it all was.

@Poutl

Brexit is an utter disaster.
people talk about sovereignty but that just such a unmeasurable thing in a first past the post system.

everything else is worse.

Didn't you discuss that with anyone or fact check? I heard that as well but knew Johnson was a liar and didn't believe a word coming out of his mouth. It was largely debunked at the time.

My cleaner voted for Brexit. Since it happened what she can charge has risen from £11 /h to £18/h.

This is what she hoped, and its happened, so sadly she feels it was a success. A neighbour who works for one of the supermarket chains feel similar.

You could always vote for the European law makers. Did you?

Yeah I chatted amongst my friends and family. Lots of different political preferences and different social economic backgrounds. I didn’t know many who were 100% what way they were voting. There was misinformation that was mixed in with facts. I’m not a stupid person it was never as simple as one was good and one was bad.

Most people who I know who voted brexit were fed up of the huge amounts of money being sent to other countries & hoped that money could be better utilised on services such as education & the NHS. They also hoped it brexit would minimise the number of illegal immigrants arriving in the UK costing tax payers millions a year. As we know neither happened.

A South African friend, who came here 30ish years ago said the same. It was hard for her so it should be hard for everyone.

I'm not saying you are stupid and apologies if what I said insinuated that. It's just that I saw someone interviewed before the vote and she said the same thing, that she was voting purely for the NHS.

I'm glad we're finally joining the CPTPP in December 2024. We couldn't have done that whilst signed up to the EU.

Don’t be silly. You expect me to trawl through the internet for you to get examples? It’s fact that the EU would not allow us control to set our own rules. We had to fall in with what they dictated us to do, even when it was detrimental to us as a country.

but it’s just not true that every time the UK tried to implement our own rules to suit our own people, it was slapped down by the EU

we had loads of exemptions.

What are the benefits to each UK resident of the CPTPP ?

Vote leave was very persuasive. There were easy concrete things being sold as part of Brexit.
More money for the NHS , less immigration (more resources for the rest of the UK) It's understandable that people voted for it. The vote remain side didn't do as well.

I hate how politicians say "You voted for it," about random things in a manifesto that many don't want but got tagged onto the thing they did want. It's all a bit shit really.

we had loads of exemptions.

Plus a lot of EU rules were ones put forward by the UK over the years.

"Wild claim"

"Any evidence?"

"Don't be silly."

Sums up Brexit.

Sourisblanche · Today 19:54

we had loads of exemptions.

Plus a lot of EU rules were ones put forward by the UK over the years.

The question was 'if you voted for Brexit'. So why did you ?

115 posts and there hasn’t been ‘not everyone who voted leave was racist but all racists voted leave’?
This must be a record - normally it comes up within the first few posts.

Many people I know, especially older ones, had been happy with the old arrangements - in which a smallish group of western European nations joined together to form a common market, or economic community.

As the Common Market changed, they became increasingly concerned about:

1. the inclusion of poorer Eastern European nations, partly because they were net beneficiaries of EU funding rather than being contributors, partly because their priorities and concerns didn't seem to have much in common with the UK's and partly because of immigration;

2. linked to that, the realisation that the more members there were, the less influence the UK had and the less power to veto new legislation;

3. concerns about "ever closer union". That of course was in the original Treaty of Rome but I don't get the impression that anyone really paid any attention to it initially. The introduction of the Euro and talks of a European army didn't help to allay concerns about loss of sovereignty;

4. the feeling that the EU introduced lots of restrictions on the way we did things which were designed to level the playing field between member states, but which were perceived to be implemented very unevenly. So, for example, the UK was considered to be very thorough in implementing the changes, "gold-plating" them in some cases, whereas other countries were thought to ignore them;

For that group of people, leaving the EU was not about economics: it was about regaining sovereignty for the UK. They saw Brexit as a long term process and consider that it is far too soon to assess its impact.

Thank you for this thoughtful, helpful post.

I would like to ask the same question to those who voted Labour in July. Might start a thread sometime unless there is already one.

You think asking if people who voted for something 7 years ago is the same as asking someone who voted for something two months ago?

It doesn't have to be the same, the pp I assume just thought of it on the back off this thread

It's a huge trading agreement meaning we don't pay import duties of lots of goods. It's worth about £113 billion per year. It's expected to create an additional 15.9 billion exports by 2040. CPTPp accounts for 15 percent of global trade and combined worth of £12 trillion a year. It means 99 percent of UK goods will be tariff free. In addition since Brexit the UK has been able to do trade deals with individual US states, Australia, New Zealand and have a deal with India hammered out too. None of which we could do in the EU.

People blame the downward turn in the economy and cost of living crisis on Brexit when, in fact, a lot of issues occurred due to Covid coming soon after which has affected how we live today far more than Brexit ever did.

Yes, how fortunate to be able to blame something else and ignore the fact that Brexit has so far been a disaster for the U.K.

By every metric, the G7 have outperformed the U.K. in recovery from the pandemic.

I work in construction and Brexit has been terrible for the industry (one of the largest contributors to GDP) whether it is because of a lack of labour pushing costs up, or difficulties in imported materials, projects being shelved because of rising costs.

If people want to be honest, they need to admit the problems Brexit has caused. Be happy in your decision, but do it with all the facts and stop pretending it has been a success yet.

Which laws were causing you issues?

Government calculates this will increase GDP by 0.08% over 15 years.

I'm sure that will make up for the loss of quality in substandard imports. Mmmm chlorinated chicken, anyone? I'm sure U.K. farmers will welcome the competition to their already struggling industry.