Early prison release for DV perpetrators *trigger warning DV*

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I’m sure this has been discussed at length but what am I missing with not understanding Starmers thinking in releasing violence men under his SDS40 scheme?

Not sure what my AIBU is, but happy for suggestions.

I won’t link, but I read in the Daily Fail today, that next week this is to go ahead.

I don’t understand.

Is he releasing 'violent men' ??

What, just like that?? Or.....is there more to it?

From what I read he’s allowing the release of men convicted of domestic violence, yes.

I don’t understand

I’m sorry to be so blunt, but I’m really not sure at all what your intention is with this thread. You’ve mentioned a Daily Mail article but haven’t linked to it (about a policy which other papers are also reporting on) and you’ve said you’re not sure what Keir Starmer’s government is trying to achieve by releasing ‘violent men’ under the early release scheme.

If you’ve read any articles about this scheme, it will have been made clear that the government has decided to go ahead with it because the prisons have been in a state of crisis for months as they are so low on space. That is clearly a very unsustainable situation and this has been judged to be the most suitable short term solution before a better long term can be found. This solution is far from being perfect, and as part of it, many violent prisoners will be released, including domestic abusers.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

My intention is to try and understand why a government would allow this, I don’t want to link to the Daily Fail but if you have a link to another publication, please go ahead, it was shared with me today and I’m shocked it’s not being spoken about considered what some of these men have done.

i was under the impression only perpetrators of non violent crime where being released under this scheme.

Yes but in light of the statistics surrounding domestic violence, men convicted of DV should not be released early, in my opinion

My understanding is that exceptions to the scheme include those serving sentences for sex offences, terrorism, domestic abuse or some violent offences.

It was be easier to reply to you if you specify what the you think the problem actually is.

It's a policy that has been implemented far too quickly for Probation to make the necessary plans for release, with many being homeless on release due to accommodation not being available for 3000 men released in one day.
And then there will be another group of men with longer sentences, so more serious offences, in a months time.

This link says the government are working to do everything they can to avoid releasing domestic abusers, but it also says this can be difficult to avoid as domestic abuse crimes are not always recorded as such - https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/national/24569929.government-doing-everything-prevent-early-release-domestic-abusers/

I fully agree with you. I think we can all agree on that, and I’m sure the government agrees. But I think the government is in such a difficult position that it might be the case that some might be released early. The seriousness of the prisons situation cannot really be overstated. It’s awful.

I find it so upsetting and worrying that former prisoners will be homeless. This not only makes them vulnerable but also makes everyone else around them vulnerable and also increases the chances they’ll get sent back to prison. It achieves nothing other than to keep the horrible cycle going.

So what happens when they are released, can’t imagine there are resources, to ‘manage’ these people outside of the prison system, what safeguarding is in place?

Yes, if is difficult, however I think the government needs to get a grip on violence against women in the UK and one way of doing this would be to not allow these offenders to be released early under this scheme

I think its awful to be honest. Will we go back to the days of DV not being taken seriously.

I really hope there is going to ve strict licensing conditions.

My dd ex attacked her rough 4 years ago now originally he got 9 months he done judt under 4 in prison. Came out and broke restraining order and ended going back to prison. Then he was let out again . He constantly either breaks licence agreement or restraining order . He's ended up doing 4 years in prison apart from around 4 weeks . Abd that's just a week or 4/5 days when he gets realised then is back in he's evdee up doing 4 years on all.

It's had a massive knock on effect for dd and the rest of the family. Some people thing once the abuser is in peospn that it the victim can heal and get on with life. Uts not as simple as that sadly .

Let's hope woman don't get killed/badly hurt because of this.

Don’t forget it was under Starmer’s watch as director of public prosecutions that black cab rapist John Warboys was only tried for a handful of the crimes despite the many many victims that came forward meaning that he was then deemed potentially eligible for parole just a few years later. It was only due to public outcry it didn’t happen. Starmer is no friend to women.

Much more important to lock up people for their tweets than men who beat up women. Disgusting but unsurprising from this Labour government.

I agree, but the prisons are full, and presumably there are worse offenders that the government wants to keep in prison, so this is the plan they’ve come up with. I agree they should be kept in prison. It’s very very worrying. And the government presumably has no plans to build new prisons as the public finances are not going to allow this.

Safeguarding? Minimal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-68625061

Yes, this is it, that DV won’t be taken seriously as this sends the message it’s a ‘lesser’ crime because in those who commit ‘serious’ crimes remain in prison.

I’m so sorry your DD endured this.

I am trying to get my head around this.

It’s beyond words really.

I haven’t been living under a rock, but I am reeling after reading what I did today.

Who would be a better friend to women? I’m asking a genuine question. It may be that Starmer doesn’t do anything helpful for women’s causes, but I’m very hopeful that he will as his government minister for safeguarding and violence against women and girls is Jess Phillips, who has lots of valuable experience and knowledge in the field and has done a lot to raise awareness of how important it is.

I wouldn’t get your hopes up

I’m curious to hear who would do a better job. If Jess Phillips, a safeguarding minister who has proven practical experience in this area, cannot improve this situation by a little, aren’t we - to put it bluntly - a bit stuffed?

Yes we’re stuffed. I have no answers as to who would do a better job. I just know that it won’t be this government.

May I add that this happened under the previous government- not the current one. It’s not fair to suggest this is the fault of the current government because it is not.

What I am pretty sure of is that in a year or two, if not sooner, we’re going to start hearing about the murders of women whose partners murdered them after being let out on early release. But at least we’ll all be safe from fake tweets.