Early prison release for DV perpetrators *trigger warning DV*

[Usercyzabc]

I’m sure this has been discussed at length but what am I missing with not understanding Starmers thinking in releasing violence men under his SDS40 scheme?

Not sure what my AIBU is, but happy for suggestions.

I won’t link, but I read in the Daily Fail today, that next week this is to go ahead.

I don’t understand.

Oh please.

@GoldOnyx its becoming increasingly apparent that you’ve no understanding of the impact of DV. Lucky you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13823333/Keir-Starmer-set-free-domestic-abusers-Labour-governments-new-early-release-scheme.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

There you go

I happen to think domestic abusers are much more dangerous than people who post things I don’t agree with on Facebook. Is there a problem with that? Other than you can’t bear to have people disagree with you?

No not seeing it on the times at all

Anyone see it?

As far as we can tell, it’s 3 domestic abusers who are being released early under this scheme. That’s what it says in the article that @Usercyzabc linked to. That is 3 too many. I think we can all agree on that. So we need to raise awareness and make noise about it. I’ll write to my MP about it. @Usercyzabc and @User6874356 would you consider writing to your MPs too? Or tweeting Jess Phillips? What else do you suggest we do?

Wrong tag again 🫣

The facts remain that they have indeed started a scheme which will in fact allow dangerous domestic abusers out of prison early. There were other things they could do, yet they chose to do this.

we get you like Keir Starmer. But you have repeatedly attacked the op for even raising the issue. It is an important issue to many women- you don’t get to shut down debate because it offends your political loyalties if someone criticises Keir starmer.

This is a forum primarily used by women. This is an important women’s issue. Stop trying to shut down the debate.

If space isn't made then where is the next lot of sentenced people going to go?

I’m not going to get into a Top Trumps debate of who is more dangerous as that risks trivialising this, which is pretty fucking sordid and low.

The government obviously could not release prisoners serving whole life sentences or murder sentences, so they had to release other categories of prisoners. That will include some prisoners who are serving sentences for acts of domestic abuse. Which is of course unacceptable. So we need to protest against that, which is our democratic right, and bloody well hope the government hears us.

I don’t understand your post about people posting stuff on Facebook. Of course I don’t think people who posted inflammatory comments on Facebook during the riots are more dangerous this domestic abusers. Do I think they should both be in prison? Yes.

Please do disagree with me if you like. I’m not sure where I’ve said anything that suggests I can’t stand it when people disagree with me.

I’m not disagreeing with you. I agree with you. Did you mean to tag me?

Also if they are released at 40% early or at 100% completion does anyone actually believe they will be a different person?

No! Its past my bedtime so sorry about that!

Words fail me.

You repeatedly tried to shame the op for raising the issue and shut down the debate.

You must be extremely naive if you believe everything any government says. Of course they have other options that don’t involve releasing domestic abusers early and locking up people for posting on the internet. Yet that is the choice they have made.

The facts remain that they have indeed started a scheme which will in fact allow dangerous domestic abusers out of prison early. There were other things they could do, yet they chose to do this.

what other things could they do?

we get you like Keir Starmer. But you have repeatedly attacked the op for even raising the issue. It is an important issue to many women- you don’t get to shut down debate because it offends your political loyalties if someone criticises Keir starmer.

I wouldn’t say I like KS. He’s only been in post for 2 months. He’s not had long enough in post for me to decide if I like him or not. I do think he takes the job of PM very seriously though, as he should, and I think that is a positive change from Sunak, Johnson and Starmer.

I haven’t attacked the OP. I have said politely that her posts are unclear and I don’t really understand what she is driving at in her posts. None of her posts make much sense. I have mentored this, as have a couple of other posted. That is not attacking her. That is asking her for clarification. Please do let me know if there is anything I’ve said where I’ve been rude. Please also let me know of any examples where I have shut down debate. If there is, I apologise.

This is a forum primarily used by women. This is an important women’s issue. Stop trying to shut down the debate.

I am a woman too, I think domestic abuse is abhorrent and I support all efforts to stop it completely to make sure all women and girls are safe. Again, I can find no evidence from my posts of me shutting down debate, but please let me know if you disagree.

Please let me know how I tried to shame the OP and shut down debate. I don’t think I’ve done either of those things.

Please let me know what other options they have, as I’d be keen to know. My understanding is that this is the best option for now, as it is the most low cost and immediate option, but it of course comes with serious risks.

Why bother giving domestic abusers prison time at all? According to your rationale anyway

Look above. Your posts are still there.

Your understanding is that the best option is to release domestic abusers early? As it’s the lowest cost? Are you joking?

@Usercyzabc

Well do you? 'Words fail me' doesn't get you very far

What is prison for? Do you even know?

@User6874356 my rationale? That's a question not an opinion. I appreciate it's late for some though!

Do I what?

According to you logic, may as well not even incarcerate these men, do you think they can be rehabilitated in a programme?

I’ve asked you how I’ve tried to shut down debate and shame the OP as I don’t think I’ve done either of those things. If you’re going to say I’ve done those things, please give me evidence.

Your understanding is that the best option is to release domestic abusers early? As it’s the lowest cost? Are you joking?

You’ve quoted bits of my original post. Not my original post in full. I’ve copied my original post here, which reads: ‘My understanding is that this is the best option for now, as it is the most low cost and immediate option, but it of course comes with serious risks.’

I’d like to hear what your suggestions are for what should be done. Do you agree? Do you think they should do something else instead? Should they build more prisons? I think they should, but it won’t happen quick enough to solve the current capacity crisis.

@Usercyzabc and @User6874356 keen to hear your thoughts on my posts above.

Thank you @User6874356 i agree, the tone is a shaming tactic. My post are unclear, click baity etc. I don’t really care, its just a deflection from the real issue, what I do care about is this posters enormous lack of understanding around DV, and that there is far more sympathy for the homeless violent men (they put themselves in this situation) than the women they most likely have driven to a DV shelter with their young children . This posters total lack of understanding is part of the problem obviously, which in itself needs addressing as a wider issue.

You can come at me all you like @GoldOnyx but it’s clear you are an advocate for this programme bar the slightly bizarre post about emailing an MP who I am fairly certain is more than aware of what’s happening.