Early prison release for DV perpetrators *trigger warning DV*

[Usercyzabc]

I’m sure this has been discussed at length but what am I missing with not understanding Starmers thinking in releasing violence men under his SDS40 scheme?

Not sure what my AIBU is, but happy for suggestions.

I won’t link, but I read in the Daily Fail today, that next week this is to go ahead.

I don’t understand.

The issue is not about governments it’s that the safeguarding failures are systematic and endemic and letting out DV abusers on early release when those issues haven’t been addressed is going to lead to more dead women and kids.

I might sound horrible but I could not give a toss if they end up homless . They should of thought of that before they beat woman. There woman that loose there home fleeing DV end up in refuge , hostels, temporary accommodation. Sometimes they have to leave their whole life behinde and start over with no one completely in their own. Possibly with children but also isolated.

My understanding is when realised early they go to approved premises. As they need to be monitored. Also go to probation etc . Sp I don't think thru ebe uo street homeless . I think if they leave after serving their time etc they go to the council for help

I still don’t understand why you say that though. I understand that this is a very complex topic that needs careful consideration and lots of financial resources (and we already know this government inherited a difficult financial situation), yet I think they have the will, the expertise and the mandate to really tackle this properly and change things for the better.

Agree, seems like any effort in raising awareness for DV, and VAWG is being entirely undone.

I completely understand, and I agree. I’m not talking in my post about ex-prisoners who were sentenced to prison for domestic abuse though. Sorry - I realise I didn’t make it clear. I’m talking about people who went to prison for things like shoplifting or drug dealing, which whilst they are serious crimes, are not in my opinion as serious as domestic abuse. Unfortunately there’s a very high risk that former prisoners become homeless once they leave prison. When they are released from prison, they just leave - that’s it. They have nowhere to go. It is very sad.

My sympathy/outrage is with the victims. The children who are caught up in this.

Consequences and all that, and yes the point that rendering them homeless doesn’t help matters isn’t lost on me but DV creates the need for shelters and many victims end up homeless themselves.

I agree. To help solve this, we need to do make quite a few changes to the system. One of them is to recruit more probation officers and improve the work conditions and retention of current officers. It is a very difficult and stressful job that was made more so when it was privatised in 2014/15, which is rightfully seen as a failure and a shambles.

This is a really important point.

What’s a fake tweet?

Well, KS needed to send out a firm message - that 'his' Govt won't be bullied and will come down with a firm hand on 'insurrection'. Fair dues. Early Days.

All it means is that some offenders will serve a lesser % of their sentence than the % that they would have served. Harsh but true and most perpertrators of violence get released one day and it's always a worry to their victims no matter when they are released.

Best thing you can do is get in touch with your nearest Victim Support Group for support and advice.

The prisons are already overcrowded and what with the influx of 'insurrection' prisoners there's no space left. Given it's hard enough to even build enough homes, there's even less locations available to build enough prisons.

And that doesn't even take into account what most of the rioter/thug/protesters very badly tried to put across; the illegal migrant situation and where to put them too.

I do have my own approach to being a victim of violence - I refuse to be a Victim as my life goes on.

@Lizzie67384 @Beepbeep2024 @Usercyzabc while you are busy saying that it's terrible that DA criminals are being released I hope you've read the article posted early on in this thread, and I hope you will be reassured by this paragraph from it:
There are exemptions from the scheme, including for domestic abusers, but newspapers have reported some domestic violence-related crimes are not always reported as such, leading to concerns these prisoners could be eligible for early release

The government are not intentionally releasing DA criminals - in fact they have said they're doing all they can to prevent this, but unfortunately some crimes are not recorded as such so there may be some abusers who slip through.

It's not as if they have just decided abusers don't need to be locked up anymore.

I think perpetrators of DV should have to live on a tag, be barred from any contact with women online or in person except in a professional capacity.
Barred from using OLD, Instagram, FB, all SM.
They must move away from their victims. Even if they have to live in a tent.
They must not drink alcohol or use drugs and that will be picked up on the tag.
The only contact with women can be receiving an essential service. Eg medical or shop worker. But never allowed to be alone with a woman.
They should be barred from working with women or children or vulnerable people.
The Clare's Law thing should be on an app, like in the states where it shows where a sex offender is living.
They must attend therapy sessions daily.
They will be barred from access to their children of either sex.
They must pay a proportion of their wages or benefits as a reparation to their victims.
Their benefits will be reduced to bare minimum, like a tenner a day. If they don't work.
For however many years, depending on severity of case.

If they breach any of this then they go to prison.

I think you’re worrying about the wrong thing. I think the number of domestic abusers released under the early release scheme will be minimal. First of all, it would be tragic if anything like what you mention in your post above did actually happen. And it would also rip the government’s reputation to shreds, which they cannot risk. And I’m fairly sure Jess Phillips is telling all of this to Keir Starmer and he is listening. Because it’s very much in his interest to.

To be honest, I think @Lizzie67384, @Usercyzabc and @Beepbeep2024 - as well as @BooToYouHalloween - are so focused on finding any reason they can to criticise Keir Starmer and Labour that I don’t think they care that much about what the small print and safeguards of the release scheme are.

@Zonder You won’t like this, but I feel like you don’t really understand the impact of DV for some victims/survivors, I respect @TheHateIsNotGood has an different and admirably view, and the trauma injustice causes.

@BobbyBiscuits sounds good to me.

There is no man convicted for 'DV' or 'DA'

It's a phrase to describe an act not the crime itself

I think you need to stop there. Thanks

Why do they 'need to stop there'

They don't, what is being said upthread is correct

Very valid point.

The thing is OP will this affect politicians directly, no. So therefore, they do not care, the same way the old government didn’t care about breaching covid rules. They have just found this as a quick solution to a problem which requires a long term solution. I mean only 2% of the land in this country is used for building at all yet they never want to increase public spending and build more prisons, housing etc. The safety of our citizens is just not profitable to them. Which is why the staggering increase in knife crime isn’t being addressed but completely ignored.

@BobbyBiscuits and who is going to pay for all that?

@MissUnlocked This poster is making claims the concern about this is about not liking Starmer, rather than not agreeing to the message this scheme sends about violence again women. So best not to go down down that route, as that’s a complete aside.

I beg your pardon? Your OP was unclear, misleading, clickbaity and it showed a complete lack of understanding of this whole situation. I understand this situation much more because I work in this field. And you’re telling me I ‘need to stop there’.

Never know what goes on behind closed doors…but you are sadly I feel you are correct.

Why build more prisons?? There's NO STAFF

Nobody stays