To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

At no point did I ever say 'bullying is worse than rape'. Don't be so simple-minded.

I would not have wanted to derail the thread but a most inaccurate assertion was made which needed to be corrected. I said at the time that I didn't want a long argument about the matter but the bunch of Google lawyers persisted in arguing with me. There was no gaslighting. The end.

Yes you did!! Multiple posters have called you out on it; you said that a woman calling you a ‘man in a dress’ was more traumatising to you then when you were raped by a man 😬

The point of the thread actually escapes me. I csn see the point of a thread which honours Gisèle Pélicot.

Instead it has descended into appalling whataboutery because a very small proportion of despicable crimes are committed by women. However much of the counter arguments seem to me to be more concerned with personal point scoring than for Mme Pélicot.

@Hybridz not a single person has blamed a father. Quite the opposite.

I’ll do you a deal - you stop being a rape apologist and blaming women for the actions of men, and I’ll listen to why you think I or others are being hypocritical.

At no point did I ever say 'bullying is worse than rape'. Don't be so simple-minded.

You absolutely DID say that.

You have to be a wind up merchant. Or totally lacking in self awareness.

Who are you to tell me what event in my life was more traumatising? If I found systematic bullying over a long period of time the most traumatising thing in my life, who are you to argue that it wasn't?

I was simply correcting an inaccuracy, which I would have thought was a good thing. Yes, it matters to correct inaccuracies.

Have you quoted the wrong post?

But you just said you didn’t say that 🤣🤣

A barrister isn't compulsory though? Not everyone can afford one? A Solicitor can deal with a sentence hearing.

I really think it’s being done deliberately!

I couldn't even read the full article on it. It was the other men that got me - they were from a tiny area. As the mother of a boy it worries me. How do we teach them to be upstanding? I want him to be the man that rang the police?

I hear you, OP. This case, the Kenyan athlete murdered by being set alight by ex partner, the Georgia school shootings.

I used to be able to watch the news as a child. I don't feel I can let my young kids watch the news. It's just too horrifying.

You're really coming across as one of those who's never actually experienced the things they pretend to be so passionate about.

If you find it perfectly acceptable to mock someone else's experience/reactions to traumatic events and judge them on it, I'd question yourself. You don't get to decide what I find worse.

And joint enterprise means women involved in the crime can be convicted of the same offence.

@Emptyandsad this is a really good and valid overview of the problem. I like how you explain this and this makes the point clearly.

Eh? You said above you didn’t say that bullying was worse than rape (although you did) - I questioned that? Not sure what you’re talking about now to be quite honest!!

Wow. This place is like a parallel universe.

And joint enterprise means women involved in the crime can be convicted of the same offence.

Yet a man with a penis has to be present. No female can be convicted of this offence in their own.

I've never said "bullying is worse than rape". I said my female bullies had a profound effect on me which I feel was further-reaching than the men who abused me (my opinion on my individual experience). What is it that you have taken such offence to? Quote me on it and then we'll all understand each other.

Was thinking the same thing.



@mollyfolk it's scary not fully appreciating or understanding how men think and feel. Again I'm generalising every male but despite watching endless horrific stories about male violence I'm still in absolute shock over this story. I'm confused and it makes me question everything.

I have myself at times discussed stories like this with friends and after the tenth story I've consumed I have gone straight to ' oh my goodness, I hate men' . That's not helpful and I don't hate every single man. It's rather a real fear as to how bad is this? What can we, if anything do? Especially if raising sons.