To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

People who plead guilty are normally entitled to legal representation. The judge has to confirm the conviction and sentence the defendant.

Please show us a similar example of so many women raping. Should be easy right?

Even if a Defendant pleads guilty, her legal team is still called the defence team.

Not just aiding and abetting but actually guilty of rape.

But it is aiding and abetting in reality. The actual rapist is the man. Joint enterprise means that others are convicted of the crime too.

This would have been a massive case in the 1990s if a woman was convicted of rape by way of JE and there’s absolutely nothing online…

Why is the responsibility to change a men issue being put on to women to solve?

That is true. Although, even if the woman can't insert her penis, I would say that, morally, holding another woman down whilst encouraging a man to rape her is just as bad.

Why don’t you look up the definition of rape? Quite easy to google?

So what you're saying is that if a rapist woman is using an object it wouldn't be rape

Yes, that's the law.

Yes that's exactly what we're saying.

*The whataboutery attempts to deflect the horror of this by making "women do terrible things too" is despicable but that's not correct.

Woman guilty of rape NI
found guilty of towpath rape www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/mar/17/sarahhall?CMP=sharebtnurl Woman guilty of rape England*

That's from 2001. The law is different now.

The current Sexual Offences legislation for England and Wales was updated in 2003.

Northern Ireland has slightly different legislation updated in 2008, however the definition of rape in the NI Act also specifies penetration by a penis.

It's worth noting that the women (very rare) that perpetuate these crimes, most often do so to gain the acceptance or love of the men in the their life.

But she also said she pleaded guilty before trial and therefore it wouldn't have gone to trial. You don't employee a Barrister for sentencing

Yes, Google it. Lizzie got her law degree from the University of Google.

No because they’d be convicted of sexual assault 🙄

Well you'd like all the cases of teachers getting away scott free or the ones of mothers using their kids for videos and barely getting time in jail.

Yet you still cannot provide a comparable example to the case we're discussing can you?

Just like your made up barrister profession 😜

Of course you do! Bloody hell, the level of ignorance.

For anyone struggling with the legal definition of rape in England.

So a woman can do whatever they want as long as there is no man to blame, interesting.

No petal. The charge cannot be rape without a man present. HTH.

My case was in the 1990s. Google Law School is not so good.