To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

And?

My son is a young adult now, and just this evening we were talking about walking in woods.

He knows how frightened woman can be if he is walking alone in woods.
So he tends to walk with his GF, {Or me}

Even he finds certain woods creepy- but as a man he doesn't have that instinctual fear that women do, of not being able to sense if a potential threat is near, loitering in the trees.

There was a series of murders {unsolved} of female dog walkers back in the 1980's -no one has been caught.

They think it's a psychopath.

Perfectly said.

Men are not a class.

But you're not doing any better by saying girls/women are bullies and just as bad as men are you? You've generalised all girls/woman, with the huge difference being a woman is likely to be in more danger from a man than another woman

And again, you don't need to come onto a thread where a woman has been gang raped and tell people women are just as bad. What purpose has it served? Why won't you allow women to be angry and discuss it?

I and others on here are allowed to be angry at how mens behaviour is constantly minimised by other men, the press and media and even more depressingly, other women.

You don't need to do that to make your sons good men. You need to teach them how good men act, not tell tell them women are worse and protect them from nasty women calling out men's shitty behavior.

Thanks for posting this. Have these men been charged with "a sex scene"? No, they've been charged with rape. Until the jury returns it's verdict, the presumption of innocence is default and it is understood that the claim is an allegation, so there is absolutely no need to modify the language used in court. Appalling behaviour by the judge.

Yes they are. Their sexual classification is male or XY

They are a sex class.

I don't accept the term. It's inaccurate.

Agreed.

They are a sex.

This is what you’re bringing to this thread? Really?

Well then, noone can engage in an argument with you on any of this.

You think what you like, you don't get to be a gatekeeper. There's a vile man out there who can do what he likes because 'it can't be a real account', just what the police often think.

And these women claim to be feminists, telling other women what to do and what to think, laughable, honestly...

What would you prefer? Genre? Division? Species?

There is, however, a disgusting website where men "review" prostitutes. Won't name or link it for obvious reasons but it's full of stuff like "only give her 3 stars as she didn't look like she was enjoying it."

Er, no. Violent crime INCLUDES rape.

Huh? “there’s a vile man out there who can do what he likes because it can’t be a real account”?

what does that mean??

Me too. I'm just so tired. And done with it.

And who the f**k are you to decide how I should feel about things that happened to ME!!???

@Lizzie67384 one is allowed to say that their personal experience of treatment by a female versus treatment by a man was worse. That does not equate to saying oh but 1 man rape is ok and gang rape is not. You're creating your own narrative.

In the spirit of supporting women and empowering our weak and vulnerable position ( which it absolutely is), let's discuss and debate rather than oversimplifying and jumping on people as apologists.

Because you are minimising women’s experience of RAPE, abuse and violent assault by comparing it to a woman being mean to you! Honestly.

That’s like me saying, a dog bit me once and I found that so much more traumatic than the violent rape I was victim to. I expect everyone to agree and admit that dogs are just as violent as men. I mean, c’mon 🙄

@Lizzie67384 That is a good point actually, we don't have to be kind and compassionate to someone who has shared their story of being abused by someone other than a man because they can go and start their own thread can't they? Yeah fuck them. Jesus Christ lol that is all I was saying but I'm obviously being unreasonable. My apologies

I have been raped and sexually assaulted.
I do not blame all men for that.

As my children have grown, and I've watched their peers grow (they're early 20s now) what has become apparent to me is that mother's excuse their sons. Of everything. So many middle class respectable women saying not their sons. And in my experience it is all mothers. They all say not my boy.

It is your sons.

And until these women have that conversation with themselves nothing will change, as it equates to well over half the population defending the boys that do this.

It is the men that do these things. It is the mothers that defend them.

So it's really not as simple as blaming men. Although it is most men, most of the time.
In my experience.
But a hell of a lot of women are backing them up.

Being a feminist doesn't mean you have to be kind and in agreement with all woman? It also doesn't mean you have to support all women regardless of their opinions.

As a feminist I won't back anyone who props up the patriarchy whether they be male or female.

You've come on here and pushed the line that female bullies are worse than male rapists and that you're worried for your sons future. Hardly a feminist yourself are you?