To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

Hear hear.

That’s not true - look up the definition of rape in the UK

Twenty-five times as many men in prison, and for greater crimes.

In prison for crimes against the person:
17,750 men
700 women.
In 2022 more women were sent to prison to serve a sentence for theft than for violence against the person; sexual offences; and robbery combined.

17% of men in prison in England and Wales have been sentenced for a sexual offence (approx 15,000) compared to under 3% of women (approx 130).

It's simply not true that "women are as bad". Not even nearly!

Threads like this slamming the awful things men do and wanting a man-free world and then everyone wonders why women have gender disappointment about having boys as 'there's no difference between girls and boys'...

That's not my words, they are her words.

She said that being called a man in a dress was worse than her rape.

She also said being bullied is equal to rape.

And you said you ‘get’ what she means?

@Lizzie67384 this is her experience. You do not know the specifics of this ladies life and the details of this. For her, there may be a lot going on to explain why this is so for her. Maybe not.
It is valuable to question and understand these perspectives. It's good for us to encourage debate. I don't see that particular poster as a ' plant' male in disguise. Yes maybe this particular case is not the place for this discussion considering how terrifying this is.
We're allowed to be angry, yet we are also allowed to explore other people's viewpoints and understand possible reasons why they are so! Thankyou kindly - if that's ok with you

I believe the word you're looking for is men not humans.

That poor woman and her daughter.

It’s men. Of course it’s bloody men! How many women would engage in the gang rape of a man? How may female rapists of men are there? Or female flashers? How many young men are trafficked for sexual exploitation by women? For use in brothels where women go and choose who to shag and abuse ? Bloody NONE. The fact is, when it comes to sex, men and women are VERY different. Not a popular opinion on here, but totally true,

You cannot, in good faith, be suggesting that being called ‘a man in a dress’ by a woman is worse than being raped by a man?

Agree totally with this.

I was on Mumsnet before the ark and there used to be much better critical thinking generally. I assumed the difference was simply because there are far more people here now (and we are in AIBU which has most traffic). God, I hope it's just that, rather than that the whole world is increasingly anti-female.

Honestly MN should be renamed MRA net judging by the arguments on here.
Every thread on male violence eventually ends in " A woman once called me a mean name".

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

Sexual Offences Act 2003.

It was preceded by the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 which, like its predecessor, spoke of "sexual intercourse" without specifics.

I was bullied by women {well, girls} as I was very tomboyish and under developed 'You look like a boy!'

But that didn't bother me.

Teenage girls can be horrible, rough, nasty bullies.

But it can't be compared to gang rape like in this Frenchwoman's case.

There are/were some sadistic women about- Tova Friedman, Holocaust survivor said the women guards at Auschwitz and Majdanek were far crueller than the men- in her experience.

I am absolutely staggered that there are people on here, genuinely arguing that a woman being mean is worse than a man raping a woman, I’m honestly so shocked…and scared! Imagine these people on juries!!!

@Lizzie67384 if this post is not a man posing as female ( and we're all operating on blind faith here) - then of course 1 woman saying oh hi you look like a man in a dress is not worse than being raped. There's a reason this poster feels this way! There is going to be more to this than 1 comment over a lifetime!

You know I'm not thinking this way from my posts - even if they are poorly articulated. You're oversimplifying everything.

And you missed the sarcasm in my reply to your post after you quoted her.

Edited to add I've reread my reply to you and you need to calm down on firing out your replies and read properly what you're replying to as you've got me mixed up with someone else.

So they're admitting to having sex with an unconscious and drugged woman while her husband and God knows how many other men watched? What the fuck are they telling their wifes and daughters.

Technically a woman can still be found guilty of rape under joint enterprise, but there would need to be a man physically involved.

Because they obviously have problems and need help! There is just no comparison between these two things; that poster has also said that she doesn’t think the gang rape of the French woman means that women should be wary of men, despite being raped by a man herself!

Women have a responsibility to other women. You make a girl feel she'll never be worthy of a man's attention, you might just push her towards the wrong men

JFC I've heard it all now. Woman A says something mean to Woman B, who then ends up with the "wrong man" who beats the crap out of her. And it's Woman A's fault for not being nice?

I have only just read this. We’re all getting horribly acclimatised to reading of these horrors but Christ this one has hit me hard tonight. I feel an actual sense of despair just now.

She has incredible dignity and strength to go public.

But teenager boys can be bullies to? I don’t really get the bullying argument because both sexes bully…

@oakleaffy yes I think your post makes sense. I agree with what you say. Sometimes, when having a debate about these things, our mind will go to a personal experience slightly off context. I wouldn't say that means one is saying women bullying is worse than this particular situation. It's no comparison. I don't feel that's what poster was doing.