To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

Except of that 4%, a large percentage will be in jail for more ‘minor’ offences, and often those offences will have been committed while involved with men (I spent time in jail as a homeless drug addict for a burglary my abusive partner committed, for example).
a small amount of the women in prison will be there for serious violent offences, murder etc (and the majority of those women will, at some point, have been victims of abuse at the hands of a male, more often than not when they were children).

From the Guardian:

"Arata (the judge) recounted how naked photomontages of Pélicot’s daughter, who uses the pen name Caroline Darian, had been found on his computer in a folder titled “Around my daughter, naked”. Darian collapsed in tears and was escorted from the courtroom by her two brothers and her lawyer, Antoine Camus, but reappeared about 20 minutes later."

And there's someone on here who said really we have to look at the Mothers because they raised them....

Men have never 'abused me' in the street where all these nice men would pass by ready to rescue me. Men tend to abuse in their own rooms, or in those of their victims.

Yes, I've met some vile women. Women who think it's ok to assert their dominance over 'lesser' women. I can name more of them than I can vile men.

My father/brothers/husband/sons/cousins/friends have never done to me any of the damage those females who bullied me did.

One man raped me, another abused me, 3 girls bullied me... Those are facts based on my experience, what conclusions would you like me to come to so that it fits in with your view of the world?

@SilenceInside True.

Also think that the OP only posting twice about a case the OP is so concerned about (once to imply women do this shit too) is interesting.

Why are people mentioning Maxine Carr ? She was away for the weekend, she didn’t have anything to do with the murders. Yes she lied to give Huntley an alibi but she was in an abusive relationship, scared of him, and probably told herself he hadn’t done it . She didn’t know that he was guilty. She has paid a very heavy price for this stupid mistake, needing a new identity.
Ian Huntley was the serial abuser of women and killer of girls, not Maxine Carr.

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter it's more than that. This story screams to us......if they could get away with it, how many men would want to do something disgusting like this and also go ahead with it.

It's the fear of what SO MANY could be capable of, right under our nose; even the ' nice' ones holding doors open and pulling out chairs 😬

Its awful :( I can't comprehend it. Not just men though - I read the news article about a few women who had been arrested in the participation of torture of baby monkeys :(

Men have never 'abused me' in the street

Lucky you.

Men. Men are rotten. Maybe not all, but too many.

Probably. I think I wrote it wrong for what I intended the message to say.

3 women bullying you is not the same as being sexually assaulted, raped or violently attacked by men though is it?

@Lostboys16 I read your post to the end and want to apologise. I'm sorry those things happened to you.

I haven't read the whole thread and I voted YANBU but yep, it's mostly men.

Are you aware that other species do not choose to be "disgusting"? they have no moral compass, it's not in them. Humans know right from wrong.

Your opinion here is ludicrous.

@Pantaloons99 i don’t disagree with that. 70 men in the environs of Avignon is a lot, no question.

They don't mean "all" men. It's just a fact that men as a whole perpetrate more violence than women.

The vast, overwhelming majority of sex offenders are men. It's extremely rare to see a woman committing these offences.

The vast majority (but a lesser majority than sexual offenders) of violent crimes are perpetrated by men. In your example, all 3 women were in thrall to the men in their lives; it doesn't excuse them, but there were men involved in their cases.

There are certainly some deeply unpleasant women around but it can't really be denied that there is a problem with men in our society. I don't know what the solution is but the problem is clear

All under the control of coercive and abusive men. You need to educate yourself about the fact that many women involved in awful crimes are under the influence of men.

@MrsTerryPratchett exactly!
My 13 year old DD is starting to get comments from men in the street. You can bet that her female friends will also be getting the same, but her male friends won’t be getting groups of women doing it!

Maybe... but why is it their voices I still hear in my head 20 years later?

Women have a responsibility to other women. You make a girl feel she'll never be worthy of a man's attention, you might just push her towards the wrong men.

Give every woman a right to feel loved and respected, don't treat them like something you stepped in.

Absolutely. So many men use this statistic to claim women are given lenient treatment at sentencing (i.e. more non-custodial sentences) but as you state, the real reason is women just don't commit as much crime as men and certainly nothing like as much violent crime as men. And when we have so few prison spaces left, the emphasis should be on imprisoning violent offenders - so this statistic isn't going to change.
Did your male friend accept your point, or do you think he's still wedded to his erroneous belief?

Why do you think telling everyone that women are worse on a case where 70 men raped a woman is helpful?

You were raped by a man. Why are you bothered by that? It's not a big deal is it? After all, women are worse aren't they?

When we talk about vile women ( whoever raised this),it's nowhere near as terrifying as this knowing we have regards men. Women don't tend to overpower people and rape them, particularly not en masse. It's the fact we are physically weaker and therefore vulnerable on some level to the opposite sex who can pretty much forcibly over power us if they so fancy it.
Look at the state of Afghanistan. Even if every single woman in that country revolted against their situation, we know that physically, they would never win. We will always be overpowered by physical strength.
I'm glad I'm older and ugly these days tbh