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To wonder (thinking about this awful French rape case) if humans are just rotten

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OptimismvsRealism · 05/09/2024 15:04

It wasn't just the husband - at least 80 men went along with this. Guys with ordinary lives drawn out of nowhere.

I wonder if it would be better if we were to just wind things up as a species.

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User135644 · 05/09/2024 19:03

Over40Overdating · 05/09/2024 17:42

As always in discussions like this I am left wondering what do men actually have to do before a thread like this, triggered specifically by a collective act of male violence on one woman - literally 80 something men versus 1 woman - is not high jacked with cries of ‘not all men’ or ‘women are abusers too’.

Not all men but so many we can never know who.

Not all men but the ‘good’ ones who are your darling feminist husband and son do next to nothing to challenge their peers or mates, because god forbid things might get uncomfortable. Feminist men benefit from misogyny just as much as the Neanderthals do.

‘But women are abusers too’. As a PP has said, yes but so few that the most notorious ones date back decades.

This man was able to chat openly with and get 80 odd men to come to his house and rape his drugged wife and not one of them broke rank to report him.

Many were local to him so he didn’t even have to go far to find them.
If this is a sample size of how many men in a small town are predators, what do those numbers look like on a national or international scale? Not all men but a fucking lot of them.

How many did he discuss it with who didn’t turn up and yet still did not report it? Not all men but a fucking lot of them.

How many forums, WhatsApps and threads have men just like these in them who discuss women as objects to use for their pleasure and nothing more?

We are at crisis level with the amount of sexual and physical violence being perpetrated against women and girls yet we have women on here bleating that it’s not all men and must be a woman’s fault. In that sense you are correct it’s not all men. It’s men and their handmaidens.

Every single person who reacts to an atrocity against women with Not All Men is part of the problem and siding with the abusers.

It's because women don't want to believe their husbands or sons could act like this.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 05/09/2024 19:03

OneTwoTen · 05/09/2024 19:00

I just wonder: on a thread about male violence, specifically male sexual violence against women - whom does it benefit to point out that occasionally women offend as well?

Why even make that point?

I can't get my head around this either.

IOSTT · 05/09/2024 19:03

AliceMcK · 05/09/2024 16:05

I’ve read multiple articles now and not seen anything about the daughter.

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There was lots of info in Daily Mail several months ago

Caerulea · 05/09/2024 19:03

Fetchthevet · 05/09/2024 18:41

Yes. Or be a lesbian I suppose.

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I'd wager that would put her more at risk again than just being a single straight woman. And for that we have to thank, again, porn.

roseyblack · 05/09/2024 19:03

Who brings up men? Men and women and wider society.

Right. But people on here are not blaming our societies.

Ihateboris · 05/09/2024 19:04

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 05/09/2024 19:03

I can't get my head around this either.

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Yes, I wondered this???

stayathomer · 05/09/2024 19:05

Benvolio

it’s true- it’s what this thread was about!!! And I’m not generally tiresome, I promise 😉

Valeriekat · 05/09/2024 19:06

KurtShirty · 05/09/2024 17:03

Again, you’re chatting nonsense. You’re trying to create an argument that simply by daring to mention that I have been abused by a woman. I am minimising male violence. I’m not. You don’t need to be so insecure in your arguement- Is there not enough male violence- do you actually need to hide female violence in order to make your point? Of course not.

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We are not interested in your story. This is not about you.
Are you a man?

PandoraSox · 05/09/2024 19:06

roseyblack · 05/09/2024 19:03

Who brings up men? Men and women and wider society.

Right. But people on here are not blaming our societies.

Quite. They are in some instances blaming women for how men turn out.

OutsideLookingOut · 05/09/2024 19:09

coxesorangepippin · 05/09/2024 18:01

He was a stupid man too because he recorded all those rapes and stored them online

Just think about the men who might be doing similar but are a bit smarter and never get caught.

BigGhatt · 05/09/2024 19:10

The wife and daughter are extremely brave and i have so much respect for them speaking out about this. Im glad hes been caught. I hope they all get jail time. Disgusting

Trixiefirecracker · 05/09/2024 19:12

BigGhatt · 05/09/2024 19:10

The wife and daughter are extremely brave and i have so much respect for them speaking out about this. Im glad hes been caught. I hope they all get jail time. Disgusting

I know it might be unpopular but I hope they get castrated.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/09/2024 19:14

Trixiefirecracker · 05/09/2024 19:12

I know it might be unpopular but I hope they get castrated.

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Take away their weapons.

We don't give firearms licences to people who've previously gone on the rampage with a gun, do we?

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 05/09/2024 19:14

To the posters hoping that the perpetrators are castrated - it doesn't work.

There was research done into the reoffending habits of violent sex offenders who were chemically castrated, post conviction.

The men became MORE violent, and actually caused more damage to their victims than previously, because whilst they physically couldn't get hard, they used their hands and other implements to sexually abuse their later victims.

Yes, it's about sex

But it is also about power.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/09/2024 19:16

I guess that shows the extent to which it really has nothing to do with sex at all. It's not about 'urges' or their sex drive - it's just the wish to control and cause harm.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/09/2024 19:16

Yes, it's about sex

But it is also about power.

I agree.

WheresMySupportCat · 05/09/2024 19:16

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 05/09/2024 19:14

To the posters hoping that the perpetrators are castrated - it doesn't work.

There was research done into the reoffending habits of violent sex offenders who were chemically castrated, post conviction.

The men became MORE violent, and actually caused more damage to their victims than previously, because whilst they physically couldn't get hard, they used their hands and other implements to sexually abuse their later victims.

Yes, it's about sex

But it is also about power.

I am absolutely sure I was listening to a Radio4 programme about this exact thing. Offenders become more, not less violent.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 05/09/2024 19:18

WheresMySupportCat · 05/09/2024 19:16

I am absolutely sure I was listening to a Radio4 programme about this exact thing. Offenders become more, not less violent.

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Yes, the research was a while ago - pre COVID, I think.

BackForABit · 05/09/2024 19:21

Pyjamatimenow · 05/09/2024 15:20

My god. I’ve just read this story. Poor woman. Surely though she must have felt odd when she woke up on a regular basis after being drugged? He’d have had to give her some heavy duty stuff for her not to wake

She did think something was wrong, she thought she had Alzheimer's. She went to a few doctors for various symptoms, no one suspected. Turns out she now has several STIs too. Horrendous.

Over40Overdating · 05/09/2024 19:22

@WeMeetInFairIthilien sadly there are many cases where men are not able to rape women with their penis so use objects instead which generally inflict far more internal damage. Because, as you say, rape is not about sex, it’s about power. And a hatred of women in many cases.

halava · 05/09/2024 19:23

According to the report I'm reading on the BFM TV site, the daughter was photographed in her night attire while sleeping, and his two daughters in law were photographed in the shower.

Well, that's as much as we know at the moment. So wife, daughter, and daughters in law. I doubt it would have ended with the mother by the looks of things.

Unbelievable. The depravity of it all, and the blatant assumption by all the rapists that there was no shame to be there en masse to rape a woman one by one in each others presence.

I should be shocked, but I'm not.

SilenceInside · 05/09/2024 19:26

The daughters in law as well? I doubt any woman or girl this man had access to would have been safe. Grand daughters too, I hope he hasn't got any.

Over40Overdating · 05/09/2024 19:27

@OneTwoTen it benefits ‘good’ women who know ‘good’ men.

If you are a ‘good’ woman who defends the ‘good’ men then the ‘good’ men will save you from the ‘bad’ men.

Ergo if a woman is abused by a ‘bad’ man then it must be because she doesn’t have a ‘good’ man to defend her. Which must mean she’s not a ‘good’ woman.

So being a ‘good’ woman keeps you safe.
Til it doesn’t.

It’s as a PP said about aligning with the side of power.

Or Stockholm syndrome.

Alucard55 · 05/09/2024 19:29

YourHangryQuail · 05/09/2024 15:20

What would men do if they didn’t have punishment as a consequence?

I hate to think.

Look at what happens at war when men can get away with it.

This is why it is imperative that women have access to safe spaces.

That's an interesting but scary thought.

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