Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

It doesn't matter how awful their childhoods are. They've kicked an elderly man to death!

This really won't work, how will making people homeless make things better?

Edited to add : you are assuming that all criminals are on benefits.

Difficult isn’t it.
It’s only socially acceptable (it seems here) to name them as a little monster/ evil child/ psychopath after such a heinous crime has been committed. I just wonder how many people would be willing to answer that a child should be ‘put down’ , in answer to a thread where a parent is struggling with their violent teenager?. Likely there’d be outrage and posters would call for the child to be ‘assessed’.

Police also reporting themselves so I suspect maybe he had made previous complaints perhaps about the same kids or there had been incidents before ?

Yes, the article I read said the police had had "prior contact with the victim".

This is highly likely to be a failure of parenting but I highly doubt it's a failure of gentle parenting (which I also hold in great disdain) and more likely pure neglect.

The problem is, it is most likely a generational failing. I would be willing to bet these kids parents have no idea how to parent because they were never parented. Couple that with the modern obsession with the idea that you can't 'make' a child do anything and you have a disaster, like this, waiting to happen.

There are increasing levels of violence and crime from children, not the majority of children but increasing levels of it. Its seen in schools all the time

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pregnant-scots-woman-miscarried-after-33593390?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3YIWubZjcjBp_YTUhOgLSFZJ_Vn9VBbicmr507G9q10uyMx1ph_pPtyQA_aem_hJtKAwPLBhloaXg2hbENIA&ai=#Echobox=1725384292
This in Scotland where the powers that be have now put arrangements in place no one under 18 goes to youth detention centres as deemed a child .

Yes because this is going to help isn't it? Basically perpetuating the poverty and deprivation that is probably causing the generational issues we see in deprived areas. What we need is good quality education where young people have prospects, a society in which people can thrive, good mental health services, excellent social services who can support families.

Dont you understand what that comment means?

Does anyone know if the dog was ok?

The state will provide the parenting that the parents failed at. I think these people get pregnant, enjoy the attention and then the excitement of having a baby. They then either kill it - or their boyfriend of the month does - neglect it - it may or may not survive - or somehow manage to bring it up to resemble a human being. There are entire communities with this reproductive style. What hope is there?

This is a truly horrifying story. I hope they throw the book at the feral bullies. How heartbreaking that it seems he’d already reported them too. That poor, poor man.

Very true. I don't know where people get this idea that white people are the only ones with prejudices.

It matters in terms of actually understanding why these children have done something so horrific. It doesn’t mean they’re not culpable.

People are all over this thread complaining about irrelevant nonsense like gentle parenting and how awful kids these days are.

The reality is that the ringleaders at least will be very far from typical kids, and their lives will have been far from gentle.

Kids have zero respect. They have no boundaries or consequences put in place and are just running feral.

Teachers are too busy bleating about gender ideology rather than teaching.

Parents were up in arms at the thought of their little darlings doing national service and respect for our elderly has disappeared.

We need to follow the US and prosecute parents for their children’s actions.

Do we need to ?

Agreed except the state cannot put right 12 years or 14 years of whatever went wrong for these kids. Kids like this might come into care (pre murder attempts) but are not able to be 'fixed', its too late.

I didn't say that did I? I just said it's wild to blame gentle parenting. However, I do think it matters what type of childhood they have as how can we prevent further deaths unless we understand why children kill and the circumstances and environment that breeds this type of behaviour?

We do need all of that, but people also need to take some personal responsibility too. You can't just expect everyone else to solve your problems. As somebody who experienced a shitty childhood myself (my father was in prison, my mother has bipolar, my stepfather was abusive) and became a teenage mum I still stepped up and parented my child instead of blaming the world for my problems.

The comments about this horrific murder being the result of gentle parenting are ludicrous. I highly doubt the "parenting" any of these children received was remotely gentle. They'll have grown up being neglected, witnessing domestic violence, and quite possibly being abused themselves.

I've kept thinking about this today as it's so shocking. All I could think is that the poor man might have grandchildren, now grieving his shocking death, who are a similar age to the ones that actually killed him. It's just unbelievable.

I honestly think exposure to violence on social media has a lot to answer for. Parents are just looking the other way and allowing their children's brains and morals to rot.

True. People seem to have forgotten the riots in Leicester in Summer 2022. My own elderly dad stood and watched Partition unfold before his eyes as a child, a Hindu watching his Muslim best friend and his family flee towards the newly carved out border of North India. Nothing is ever that simple, and grouping people with very different backgrounds, religions and ethos as "Asians" is insulting, naive and unhelpful.

We know plenty about the circumstances and environments. Tales as old as fucking time yet these feral families are allowed to produce generation after generation of violent little thugs.

My parents neighbours house is next to a jitty where kids congregated. They were drinking buds underage and lobbing the bottles over the fence and they were smashing on his patio. He went out to tell them to pack it in and a 14 year old girl punched him so hard she broke his arm.

Police know who it was, CCTV etc was provided, she was never charged and he is too scared to go out alone now.