Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

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Utter crap. If you take the US as an example. Most children that run into schools and commit the worst atrocities are from white middle class homes not the back streets of Compton. It is difficult to gage in this country because more often than not the killer’s identity is protected

No one accepts that children kill.

Absolutely horrendous news.

But I can guarantee that those children won't have been brought up with gentle parenting which involves calm boundaries and empathy.

Dosent surprise me, things have been going downhill for ages. Everyday you hear something awful.

When they are 80, things will be even worse.
Start holding parents to account.
It's to easy for parents to shove the kids out of the house?
Do they have any idea of what they are doing when they are out?
You shouldn't be able to just walk round parks causing trouble, murdering people. Too much freedom in the world today.
Only when you start holding parents accountable might you see any change.

We know the circumstances and environment. Its highly predictable. Neglect, violence, lack of boundaries, probably excluded or non attending, probably ADHD (whether diagnosed or not), poor emotional and behavioural development and regulation, frightening or frightened parent, absent or ad hoc father/male figures, drug use/MH issues for parents.

You can write it now.

I suspect the narrative will change to one of the girls being coerced by the boys or were influenced by them or something like that.

How is it that Mumsnet posters simply can't accept that females can't be evil? Of course they can. Girls can be bitches. Women can be physically and sexually abusive.
Only yesterday an nursery nurse was convicted of abuse of the babies in her care. And she was only found out because it was the same nursery where the baby died due to the actions of another member of staff. The police were watching the closed circuit camera footage for evidence in that case, and saw and heard what the second one did and said to the babies.

Violence and cruelty is not confined to the male sex, so let's not look for excuses as soon as woman or girl is involved in a murder.

That’s awful, I’m sorry to hear it

So basically she got away with it. No consequences at all to those, no boundaries set.

This is spot on. I also think gentle parenting is questionable but you can bet your bottom dollar these kids have had zero parenting- not gentle parenting. The problem is the state does not intervene early enough in the lives of these children. I bet their year 1 teachers are not surprised as sadly it is evident from a very young age what direction a life will take.
Parents need support in the early years, if they refuse to engage with support and their children end up like this there should be a consequence.
look at the mum of the rioter who has gone to Ibiza instead of court. There are people out there who haven’t got a clue how to parent and equally don’t care. For those of us who love our kids it’s hard to comprehend that some parents don’t care but it is a fact that some couldn’t care less.

The poor man's name was Bhim Sen Kohli.
He was Punjabi.
He used to own a factory in Leicester - paid his taxes - not a loser - a decent man.
It was racially motivated.
If it makes it more palatable to the majority on here, the dead man's white neighbour said that Mr Kohli was having racially aggravated issues with kids not from their immediate area.
These loser kids were coming in from elsewhere to target this man and another Asian neighbour.
The police were aware.
Hopefully, all Asian communities in Leicester get together and support this man's family in getting justice and making sure another person isn't attacked for simply being brown.
These loser kids are their loser parents can't get away with this, with light sentencing. Life sentences for them until they are at least 80 years old.

Yes this is part of why I find some of this site toxic, that women are only and always victims.

Baby Ps mother is also back in prison again I see (I digress)

Teachers are too busy bleating about gender ideology rather than teaching

That's complete rubbish @iamtheblcksheep

I honestly think we’re way past the point now in the uk where we can simply blame parents.
There are so so many factors beyond the control of parents. The accessibility of drugs is one. Smartphones is another. Limited youth services and police resources is another.
I have seen so , so many teens fall into horrible situations with drugs, and consequently violence. They weren’t all from broken homes or backgrounds of generational poverty. Most in fact were middle class kids experimenting with vapes and weed in local parks , escalating to buying highly addictive spice laced drugs off men in cars via Snapchat. Usually parents were in desperation and frustrated by lack of support from camhs / gp/ school.
Anyone who thinks this sort of thing is limited to areas of deprivation , or simply a product of poor parenting, is pretty naive.
I remember speaking to a very experienced member of teaching staff, he’d worked in pupil referral units across the country and was tasked with troubleshooting behavioural issues. He had an astounding record for turning lives around for troubled kids, seeing them leave school with brilliant prospects. But he told me that involvement with cannabis was the one problem which was the hardest, as it was next to impossible to ‘get them back’ once they were deeply involved.
And its everywhere now.

Reliance on benefits, multiple siblings/half siblings/step siblings, overcrowded housing due to multiple children, complete lack of respect for ‘authority’ of any type, early exposure to social media, unregulated exposure to violence and pornography, refusal to engage with support services. I don’t know why anybody still thinks we need to try and ‘understand’ the issues? 🙄

These people aren’t thick. Take away their source of funding because of crime or ensure they live respectfully and all benefits and housing will be supplied. Easy choice. Why should people in work be funding the lifestyles of these feral loser families?

Holy shit, that's appalling!!!! 😰
I can bet it's racially motivated.
I feel so sorry for the old man and his family, absolutely vile and needless!
It's said he was lovely, which of course makes it worse. RIP xxxx
I don't know what I'd do if that was my dear, sweet Grandma. ❤️

Why is it nauseating? I doubt the parents of those five children were loving attentive parents who instilled firm boundaries and taught their kids empathy. Why, do you think the kids had parents like that but just chose evil? Isn’t that nauseatingly simplistic thinking?

I agree 100%

Yes a girl my parents fostered had two kids. My parents treated them as their grandkids, their mum was not a bad parent as far as I remember. Yet at 16 the youngest child was involved in a terrible murder not far from where this murder took place. She had got involved with drugs and a boyfriend who was violent and got caught up in a murder and went to jail for it. I believe it really was a case of getting involved with the wrong crowd. Her sibling turned out fine and has never been in any trouble and her parenting was not lacking.

Yep.

Its disgusting.

We all kicked up a huge fuss (I live at the other end of the jitty) and we attended local council meetings, parish council meeting etc and the police did at least start sending the PCSO's around for a few weeks and we havent really had them back since last year. So hopefully they have gone somewhere else, but the problem still remains that they evil shits are out there with, as you say, no consequences.

Let's be real, no Asian kid would have killed anyone or even an elderly man. I know I am generalising and people won't like it, but Asians are very disciplined by their parents. Education is extremely important. We also get smacked. Back in primary school, a lot of the english kids would always talk back to teachers, disrupt lessons etc.

Kids today are feral? Are they? That's not my experience of my teenagers and their group of friends, nor that if people I know. There are teenagers that are violent etc but I'd say they were an exception as opposed to a rule.

Someone said above about a group of teenagers drinking and being aggressive. Whilst I have no doubt there are teenagers like that as I have seen them, my teen went out with a group of friends and they all tidied up after themselves and took all their empty bottles home.

I grew up in the 80s and 90s and there were some kids in school that were big trouble. I remember walking home and seeing someone getting their head stamped on by another kid in his year, they were both known trouble makers. Bit the majority of kids I went to school with were decent.

I'm just fed up of the whole teenagers = feral youths. The reason this and other cases where teenagers assault, main or kill are so shocking is because it's not the norm. It's not because we don't have the cane in school, because we gentle parent etc. it's because these kids are not given the lessons they need to be decent human beings. That's always been the case and will always be the case.

I was around at the time of the Jamie Bulger - went to Uni in the same city. I did read a lot around it as there was a brilliant series of pieces in ‘The Sunday Times’ and while there are no excuses, the way the two young boys who killed Jamie were brought was truly awful.
Cold comfort for the poor family and the little tiny soul himself - the violence involved was vile.
This poor gentleman in Leicester had already been the victim of stone-throwing. The young people involved know it’s wrong, just as the ones who killed Brianna knew.
Their lives now are soaked in violence - they think nothing of attacking other kids, strangers, even teachers. All filmed on smartphones for likes.
The drug epidemic, poor parenting, overworked school systems all contribute.
I know there have always been child killers but they tend to be rare.
However these attacks are getting more common.
How are the parents reacting over their little cherubs being arrested? No doubt they will blame everyone else….

I agree with this. Without exceptions, if your child under the age of 18 commits a serious crime, independent of whether you have not even seen them for 17 years, you get a month in prison and a life-long ban on any state benefits (includes confiscation of pension to be paid to a fund of victims of crime).

@PrincessOlga So an abused young mother who has been trying for years to get help from an underfunded social services, whose child has also been encouraged by a deadbeat dad to turn to crime, but who is now in prison, has to go to jail herself and never gets state help again? Even though she she has been trying her best for her children but was constantly beaten, both by her husband and the system. Because you said no exceptions.

There have sadly always been children who kill children. Vanishinly rare thank god. Before James Bulger tragedy, there was Mary Bell in the 1960s. Robert Coombs in Victorian era.

It does seem to be happening more frequently now and I do wonder whether the prevalence of easy online access to violent games, websites, social media pranks is part of the problem.

I know that the bien pensant view is that media doesn't influence children's behaviour but I'm not sure that's true. Numerous academic studies have shown that music and other media can change mood and can affect the brain, which is highly plastic especially in young children. So can we really be so sure that access at a young age to violent social media doesn't influence them in some way?