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Not removing sunglasses - unreasonable?

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coxesorangepippin · 31/08/2024 15:49

Met up with a friend yesterday, who introduced me to her sister.

We sat outside, it was sunny.

The sister did not remove her sunglasses the entire time (2 hours).

It bothered me. I couldn't see her eyes.

Aibu?

OP posts:
housethatbuiltme · 01/09/2024 00:22

Thinkbiglittleone · 31/08/2024 22:30

You do NOT get to tell us we are offensive and 'vile' for calling you ablest when you WHERE undeniably ablest. We are the ones who get to decide since it was us you insulted

@housethatbuiltme No I get to call you not us, you vile when you lie about me. When you say I would "refuse to speak to a blind person or a person with false eyes", I absolutely did not say that, you twisted something in a vile way, I may have copied a phrase that offended, and I should have used my own words and I have explained what I meant, but you, you completely on purpose, wrote something that was untrue and disgusting and yes I do get to call you vile for that.

You have embarrassed yourself enough... everyone can see that not only did you make an offensive statement which you where called out on by multiple people but you then went on to attack the very disabled people who called you out on saying something ablest.

We have heard it all before, these backhand ways to call us stupid, idiots, imbeciles, retarded, dunces etc... you are not the first but don't dare insults us that you didn't mean EXACTLY what you said.

'pop them up then back down' (who cares if they are a medical tool right?) & 'its like no one is home' (a straight up offensive term to mean someone is stupid) & 'because so much of convocation is eye contact' (so clearly that must mean you can't communicate with people who can't make eye contact right?) Its in black and white.

Everyone sees who you, but clearly you are someone who can't admit what you are and wont ever change so just stop.

BeachParty · 01/09/2024 00:44

housethatbuiltme · 01/09/2024 00:22

You have embarrassed yourself enough... everyone can see that not only did you make an offensive statement which you where called out on by multiple people but you then went on to attack the very disabled people who called you out on saying something ablest.

We have heard it all before, these backhand ways to call us stupid, idiots, imbeciles, retarded, dunces etc... you are not the first but don't dare insults us that you didn't mean EXACTLY what you said.

'pop them up then back down' (who cares if they are a medical tool right?) & 'its like no one is home' (a straight up offensive term to mean someone is stupid) & 'because so much of convocation is eye contact' (so clearly that must mean you can't communicate with people who can't make eye contact right?) Its in black and white.

Everyone sees who you, but clearly you are someone who can't admit what you are and wont ever change so just stop.

To be fair, sometimes people who don't experience something themselves can unintentionally make an ablist remark.
I've been guilty of doing the same myself in the past (pre peeled boiled eggs?! Just do it yourself FFS and save pounds, bit lazy) .
Til it was pointed out to me that actually that's a good thing for people who physically can't do that.
Me Blush never thought of it that way.
It's not what you say, it's how you react when you're told you're wrong /being prejudiced that's important imo.

knockyknees · 01/09/2024 01:33

You arw 1000% unreasonable

Like many other PP, I wear prescription sunglasses. It wouldn't even occur to me to remove them. My being able to see is more important than you, or anyone else, being able to see my eyes.

Do you expect someone to remove their normal clear glasses at any time? I would hope not, so prescription sunglasses is no different.

RedWinePoliticsAndHair · 01/09/2024 04:22

I would have done the same. If I don't wear my sunglasses outside (or when driving) from March-October I'm Ms. Squinty McSquint from Squintingbull Lane, Squintshire. And all that squinting gives me a headache. I asked an optician about it once and she said I had unusually large pupils which is the cause of it. Your friends sister may have the same.

Mayameemamoe · 01/09/2024 04:39

YABU. Her need to protect her eyes from sun damage beats your need to look at her eyes

glitches78 · 01/09/2024 04:43

Comedycook · 31/08/2024 15:52

Yabu.

I don't remove my sunglasses if I'm outside and it's daytime. They are prescription so I cannot see without them! I often keep them on indoors too... especially when I go into shops.

Mine are prescription too and I often don't take them off there i walk inside as I can see clearly with them on

SD1978 · 01/09/2024 05:09

It wouldn't even occur to me to take off my sunglasses if outside. I really rather not be squinting at people.

Oakcupboard · 01/09/2024 05:42

I have an autoimmune condition which makes my eyes unnaturally sensitive to light. If I had to take them off I’d have to sit with eyes closed

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/09/2024 05:43

You were outside in the sun, nothing wrong with having sun glasses on in that setting: j probably would too

ForGreyKoala · 01/09/2024 06:31

Comedycook · 31/08/2024 16:02

I was walking round the supermarket recently...I had my sunglasses on because they're prescription and I need them to see...I prefer to keep them on than switch to my ordinary glasses as my eyes are also very sensitive to bright lights. A random woman I walked past made a point of saying loudly to her children who do I think I am and about how I must think a lot of myself blah blah blah... absolutely bizarre. I was amazed she was so bothered about it

Oh thank goodness - I thought I was the only one who wore my prescription sunglasses in the supermarket! Thankfully no-one has ever commented on it.

ForGreyKoala · 01/09/2024 06:32

Why do you think people wear sunglasses OP? What's the point of taking them off when you are outside just because you are with other people? YABVU.

Riapia · 01/09/2024 07:00

I thought that sunglasses were supposed to be worn on the top of the head, even when it’s sunny.
😉😁😁.

RollaCola84 · 01/09/2024 08:54

Thinkbiglittleone · 31/08/2024 21:32

Saying 'the lights are on but nobodies home' (meaning 'stupid') about a disability aid is fucking disgusting

But I didn't say that about a disability aid, nor did I mean stupid - to turn my comment into you saying "I won't talk to blind people or people with false eyes" is fucking disgusting as that's not at all what I said - so take it else where.

I'm not the only person that commented that correlation too so not a 'jump'
Yes it is a jump to say I would refuse to talk to a blind person or person with false eyes....that's disgusting. Talk about twisting something in a vile way.

Glasses, tinted or otherwise, are a disability aid for many people and you've just met a person you almost certainly will not know whether or not that's the case.

And nobody's home is just offensive.

The fact you're continuing to argue this proves you've no idea how unpleasantly ableist your comment was.

Morningcrows · 01/09/2024 08:56

Mine are prescription and I can see better with. I don't remove even if I go indoors.

RollaCola84 · 01/09/2024 08:59

ForGreyKoala · 01/09/2024 06:31

Oh thank goodness - I thought I was the only one who wore my prescription sunglasses in the supermarket! Thankfully no-one has ever commented on it.

I did it yesterday. Car park was busy so parked quite a long way from the door, didn't fancy squinting across the car park and also didn't fancy carrying both sets of glasses into the store - I don't take a handbag into the supermarket just phone and wallet in pocket.

I can see inside with my sunglasses on....

MasterBeth · 01/09/2024 09:23

ExpressCheckout · 31/08/2024 16:59

It's basic manners to take them off, even if it's just momentarily, so you can make eye contact with the person you're spending time with. It's about developing trust. It won't kill anyone to take them off for 5 seconds to say hello.

This must be some Advanced Grade Manners that I missed because it seems a little nuts.

What do you think my sunglasses are for? They're so I can see you.

MasterBeth · 01/09/2024 09:27

RoseUnder · 31/08/2024 18:51

Would it really kill you to raise your sunglasses for all of 15 seconds to acknowledge and make eye contact when introduced to someone new? It’s basic manners.

"Basic manners", it is not.

I would feel like a loon, and if anyone else "raised their sunglasses" to me, I would think they were a loon. Where would they put them?

MasterBeth · 01/09/2024 09:31

RoseUnder · 31/08/2024 18:46

It was very bad manners!

Good manners are to make eye contact with someone when you are introduced.

The sister should have briefly lifted her sunglasses from her eyes at that point, said “hello / nice to meet you” then could put her glasses back on.

Anything else is being rude and she sounds like an asshole who thinks she’s better than you. Badly brought up not to know this is rude!

I'd be interested to know how old you are, where you are from and which social class you feel you being to, because I have never heard of this before or seen anyone do it.

midgetastic · 01/09/2024 09:35

Working class background ( no one had sunglasses then ) and middle aged and middle class now , northern but spent decades in the south

Never see anyone wiggle their glasses up to make momentary eye contact

AlwaysKindaKnewYoudBeTheDeathOfMe · 01/09/2024 09:40

Absolutely fascinated by this 'manners' thing.

Says who? Why? When did this become a thing? Which absolute bore has deemed it must be so? Do you understand the difference between a rule and just...your preference?

I say this with all politeness, but if you think my choices are any of your business, you can absolutely get fucked.

ExpressCheckout · 01/09/2024 10:03

MasterBeth · 01/09/2024 09:23

This must be some Advanced Grade Manners that I missed because it seems a little nuts.

What do you think my sunglasses are for? They're so I can see you.

No, not advanced grade manners, just an awareness that it might make someone else feel comfortable engaging with you. You know, considering others. It only takes a moment to quickly lift them up.

https://www.whowhatwear.com/sunglasses-etiquette

Many more examples like this online. Unless you have a medical reason to keep sunglasses on all the time - obviously - I find it weird and pretentious if folks leave them on when speaking with someone.

But I must be a little nuts 😂

Heads Up: Wearing Sunglasses in These Situations Is Rude

An etiquette expert filled us in on the exact situations in which it's rude to wear sunglasses. Read her eye-opening insight here.

https://www.whowhatwear.com/sunglasses-etiquette

midgetastic · 01/09/2024 10:43

It's very common for people to wear them for medical reasons

  • protection of eyes ( sone eye colours are very sensitive to damage )
  • ability to see
  • avoiding migraines

Since it's so common and the only reason given to remove glasses is "manners" then it's about time the "what's considered rude" gets updated

midgetastic · 01/09/2024 10:44

Manners that require someone else to feel uncomfortable so you don't feel uncomfortable are pretty daft

tigger1001 · 01/09/2024 10:47

I think many forget that sunglasses can also be prescription glasses. And also reading some of the posts, some posters don't get that visually impaired doesn't automatically mean blind.

I wear strong glasses. And yes sunglasses. I wouldn't think to take them off when meeting someone/talking to someone as it would mean I can't see their face why is their desire to see my (very unfocused eyes) more important than my actual ability to see?

If someone was offended by me not removing my sunglasses, they are welcome to never speak to me. Saves me a job of having to weed out the arseholes myself.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2024 10:49

midgetastic · 01/09/2024 10:44

Manners that require someone else to feel uncomfortable so you don't feel uncomfortable are pretty daft

The opposite of true manners, in fact.