To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

Indeed.

And also, can we stop with this ridiculous assertion that trans woman in some way necessarily means sexual predator. It’s offensive.

I lost all respect for John Lewis when they shut their Sheffield store down after accepting millions from Sheffield Council to stay open.

Yeah, I’m good thanks.

This is what men do in mixed sex and women's toilets and changing rooms.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/men-filmed-people-swimming-pools-changing-rooms-bathrooms-police-b1154508.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-65090161

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/24311214.cheshire-voyeur-tried-film-girl-changing-room/

https://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/23534727.prestatyn-man-filmed-girls-leisure-centre-changing-rooms/

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/yorkshire-man-jailed-for-filming-teen-girls-as-they-got-undressed-in-changing-rooms-and-bathrooms-209535

https://reduxx.info/women-call-for-primark-boycott-following-latest-gender-neutral-changing-room-violation/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/person-charged-with-indecent-exposure-at-la-spa-after-viral-instagram-video

How about Andrew Miller - the Borders butcher who abducted a young girl and took her into his bed "to be motherly," he said, sexually assaulting her of course. What's he, if not a man? Would you like him in your changing room?

Are you happy to share your changing room with any men, or just with transwomen? If you don't want common or garden men in there, why not? What is different about transwomen?

But they didn't use to "open the doors and walk in". Women would protest and would be backed up by other women and staff, and if necessary security guards or the police. Now it's the women protesting who will be vilified, not the men who are invading their spaces.

Well 'trans women' retain male rates of violent and sexual offending. These are higher by an order of magnitude than female rates. While not every man who identifies as trans is a sexual offender the rates of offending are a very good reason to keep female spaces single sex. In Darlington a group of nurses is taking the NHS to court because they were forced to share a changing room with a 'trans woman ' He didn't rape anybody but he followed them around and asked them when they were going to get changed. Surely we've all experienced creepy blokes trying to violate boundaries whether it's with words, groping, taking photos, etc. Allowing trans identified men into women's spaces gives those creepy blokes an opportunity they wouldn't otherwise have.

So you get to consent for all women because you have no issue with it? I take it you're also absolutely fine with being filmed by pervs in toilets too? As that happens frequently in female facilities, see my post above. I don't want to be filmed when I'm changing my tampon thanks, just because you want to doesn't mean the rest of us do.

There is nothing to say that they’re not. A man was there with his wife at some point when I was there (there wasn’t actually a door , just a wall to separate it so not everyone could see). I get that might not be seen as ideal for some but for me it was fine and a lot better than trying to do it in a crowded cafe

Can you tell the rest of us how you can tell the sexual predators from the normal blokes?

This is also so disingenuous.

Say you are a woman (doubtful) in the ladies loos with your young daughters and a bloke just walks in...what do you do? Do you just shrug and think 'must identify as a woman' and carry on? No. I am fortunate enough not to have directly suffered from male violence but I would feel extremely threatened, on edge and would get me and my kids out of there. I think all women would.

No different if said bloke was wearing a dress.

It's 'problematic' for all women and girls because it compromises the comfort, privacy, security and safety of any woman or girl.

And it is problematic for men too who want comfort privacy and security though it does not affect them in the same way or to the same degree in terms of risk to safety.

It's offensive to pretend that men (male people) have any excuse to occupy women's (female people) spaces.

If a male bodied person really had a woman inside their head, they would never decide to encroach on women's space because they would know better.

So yes, any male who feels entitled to use women's spaces is a predator to a degree.

Edit: to be totally clear I am NOT saying sexual predator, I am saying a predator in a broader sense.

Do all the people here who are happy to open up female-only spaces to transwomen also believe that Rachel Dolezal is really a black woman or that Stefonknee Wolscht is really a six year old girl?

If not, what’s the difference?

What case? I'm Scottish and haven't heard about this.

Absolutely.

Im shocked by how many women on this thread dont seem to think that men in womens loos is an issue for them.
Thanks for posting about this op. We already no longer have a local branch of JL sadly.

No. Honestly no.

This thread from Feb 24 - also about JL and how how troons matter more than women do.
Boycott JL and Waitrose? : James Esses' latest Substack on John Lewis LGBTQIA++ 'Identity' mag | Mumsnet

As someone who is involved more than a lot of mumsnet, yes, it is :)

They'd probably stop if you could answer the question as to why you're so happy to throw vulnerable/religious women under the bus and override accepted safeguarding norms to satisfy the delusions of a minority?

At least 3 members of my family's workplaces and also my own have similar policies. All big UK brand/service names. While I do not agree with the policy, you will be buying their products/services regularly.

Boycotting just JL is meaningless. This is a government issue and many individual companies hands are tied. If you want to take meaningful action , instead of boycotting JL write to your MP or attend their surgeries and ask them what you can do about this issue.

As for the letter it is ineffective. The author, by their own admission can afford not to work, "resigning" is not a hardship for them undermining the gesture and the issue itself, it comes across more as attention seeking than a meaningful stand.

It already does in our local JL. That is why I no longer shop there.

How is it helping female employees to organise a boycott when, if successful, this will lead to them losing their jobs? Department stores are already badly struggling.

Write a letter of complaint, but for the love of God, do not do something that will threaten the livelihood of the staff.