To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

But that's completely different - people still have the opportunity to choose single sex toilets.

No, it's really not. They are women, they can use the women's loos. They don't 'look' male and they don't present the same issues as men.

I don’t have a problem with females using female spaces. Trans men are female. They don’t pose the same risk statistically to other females as males do. Hence why there’s no outcry if they go into the men’s.

It’s not difficult to solve.

However I do wonder if any of you have ever actually met or interacted with a person suffering from gender dysphoria. There’s so much ignorance and hatred on display.

Yes I have transwomen friends - shock horror. Funnily enough they totally disagree with you they respect women and do not encroach on their spaces they are also furious that the likes of you are making their lives harder by bundling them in with those who do not respect women.

We have a toilet cubicle (enclosed) which is mixed gender so anyone can use, trans men can use the men's if they want or the all-gender space but female toilet and changing room (some women use to pray) is female sex only. Trans women can use the all gender space but not female only.

There's a mix of religions, disabilities, 2 'trans' men & 1 'trans' woman & the system works for us. It's not a policy that was dictated to us it was agreed as a branch. I think it's a different situation amongst colleagues than debating public facilities.

The chances of the majority of JL customers knowing or caring about this are minimal. Our local JL store was very busy this weekend.

I don't mind if a trans woman is in my space. What I do care about is that other women do mind. I think a lot of problems are arising when people who don't mind are forcing their thinking on those that do.

I don't know what the answer is to the conundrums thrown up around these issues. I'm not sure there are any that everyone would be OK with.

It’s completely pointless posting in these threads full of pitchforks. However I do wonder if any of you have ever actually met or interacted with a person suffering from gender dysphoria. There’s so much ignorance and hatred on display.

@Fancycheesewhy would a person 'suffering' from gender dysphoria be unable to comprehend that many women don't want to share their private spaces with men? That is not difficult to understand. We can be compassionate without affirming a delusion to a ridiculous degree.

Sadly that's not true. Men who identify as women retain the same pattern of violent and sexual offending as men.

This is evidence presented to a parliamentary committee of you want to read more.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/&ved=2ahUKEwiQt_b275qIAxUpQkEAHfEdAbIQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nfGy7VvUMk_Nrwv81ai3h

Women (hordes or otherwise) are not attacked in toilets and similar places when it is the rule understood and accepted by all that men don't go into them, which is to say because men don't go into them.

You misunderstood - trans men (females) don’t pose the same risk. I wasn’t meaning men who identify as women. Well aware they retain the same offending pattern (I work in crime).

Oh right! Yes I agree. 🙂

Are blokes of all shapes and sizes allowed in those breastfeeding facilities?

All the toilets are shared in our office- we cope

You are aware that 99.9% of men do not need to go through the pretence of lying about their gender identity in order to attack women? They just do it. Honestly you would think that hoards of women were being attacked on a daily basis by men falsely identifying as women. A far, far bigger issue is violence perpetuated by men identifying as men. Why is there not the same uproar there?

Oh here we go, the they'll do it anyway trope. Why bother with any form of safeguarding or security if people will do it anyway? Shall we do away with all checks and balances for people working with children? Have a little think about how much easier allowing men who claim to women into women's spaces makes it for those who wish to enter for nefarious purposes and then have a little think about why single sex spaces were put in place.

Can you explain what the difference is between a man and a transwoman?

Have you polled every single employee of JL to check they share your views or are you just spouting your opinion?

Fortunately, outside of MN, the numbers of gender critical people cutting off their nose to spite their face and boycotting JL is very unlikely to cause JL any issues at all. So I wouldn’t be too worried, those who have posted about not wanting JL to close!

It literally doesn’t bother me.

When everyone has boycotted all the high street stores out of existence, where are you going to shop? Those bastions of exemplary employee relations, Amazon? Or are you all going to go totally self-sufficient?

Ah that's nice for you.

Exactly how much easier do you claim it is? It's not as if anywhere places guards at the doors of women's toilets. Men literally just need to open the doors and walk in.

I have no issue with trans women using female facilities considering we have cubicles, they are private. Nothing to do with the voting being a basic right for everyone, give over