to honestley wonder, why have children if you WANT to work fulltime and are not prepared to make ANY sacrifices?

[milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk]

i don't mean parents that HAVE to work to provide.

i mean the ones that choose to for no other reason, other than they enjoy their job so much.
if you enjoy your job so much, thats great.
but what i really do not understand is why have children?
no one makes any of these parents have children, you can go though life without having children.

this is 100% genuine question, i just do not get it.

Not all of us have the opportunity to work part time - my job doesn't and can't fit neatly into 3 days, and has to involve travel. And the car is my company car, which I have to have.

The Mac is safe, don't worry

oh bugger, did I miss a pink shoes thread?

I dont believe the question is really about having to work anyway. If I stopped working we'd lose the house, get housed somewhere and get benefits to live off. I am lucky to earn enough so that it is worthwhile for me to work but I don't have to. I choose this life whilst I am lucky enough to be able to do so rather than the other life I described.

I'm relieved...

Ahh, Xenia is around now.

...To have missed my pink shoe thread?

Oh, don't get me started on benefits scroungers

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, no about the safety of Mrs Mattie's Mac. I happen to have really strong feelings on pink shoes, it's a shame I missed the thread

I don't have girls, so have avoided pink shoes. Although DS does have a pair of pink Dora slippers that he will not be parted from.

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Couldn't be bothered to read the whole of the thread, but in answer to the OP, I think that it is incredibly valuable for a child's development to see both parents working. You are giving your children a strong and rounded female role model - not simply as mother, cleaner, cook, but as a part of wider society. I would hate for a daughter of mine (not that I have anything but men in my life) to grow up without seeing how fulfilling work can be.

I have nothing against those who choose not to work, but to be honest I don't really understand it anymore than you can't understand my need to. There is an issue in working too much and never seeing your children, but that is something else again.

Casbie, are you sure you're not the OPer? You make exactly the same typos and have the same writing style. Own up, girl

LMAO@riven

Well, if Riven is right then we must all be very very careful about which role model we want our daughters to reject. You can't be too careful when you're getting it wrong.

Riven

Still believe it though (me old ma gave me that advice when I had ds1 - it might be the only thing I listened to )

Like most people I need to work to pay my bills, but I also want to work. And because I love my job, I am bloody good at it, and because I am good at it, it means that my company is prepared to give and take.

So yes, my ds goes to a childminder, but when he needs me I am there for him.

I was one of the moms walking out of the nursery door this morning in tears because it was his first day.

But I am also the woman in the boardroom who is proud of her job and hera achievements. And I believe that more women should be able to enjoy that too without the guilt that you want to force on them.

Batters, could you pop over the the Vileda Active Wave Scourer thread? I need you to go to Epsom...

Well, yes, but babies are like puppies, so CUTE, it's easier to evoke strong emotions than a thread about spotty, moody teenagers.