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To be horrified by fire attack on Jewish synagogue in France by pro Palestinian terrorist

204 replies

Helpabojttown · 25/08/2024 14:02

This is awful, my thoughts are with the French and worldwide Jewish community.

French police arrest synagogue blast suspect https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo

A CCTV image purportedly showing a suspected attacker at the synagogue in La Grande-Motte

French police arrest synagogue blast suspect

The man was shot and injured by police after he opened fire on the officers in southern France, reports say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo

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Nadeed · 25/08/2024 21:07

What a surprise! A post about antisemitism leads to antisemitism being posted on that thread. I wish I was surprised.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 21:14

Bullbreedbliss · 25/08/2024 20:55

Do you think it’s ever justified for children to end up as collateral damage?

Do you think it's ever justifiable for Jews of the diaspora to end up as collateral damage for the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF because antisemites are looking for any excuse to harm Jews?

Bullbreedbliss · 25/08/2024 21:14

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Humdingerydoo · 25/08/2024 21:15

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I feel like maybe this isn't the thread for you then if you don't care about Jews?

ScentlessAprentice · 25/08/2024 21:45

MontyVerdi · 25/08/2024 20:19

You were going after her Scentless and got called out early on.

"Going after her", er what? I was just talking, like most of us on here do. And "called out early on" for what exactly?

Pythag · 25/08/2024 21:48

79Helene · 25/08/2024 14:55

As someone with very worried French Jewish family I'd like to hear their reasons too.

Personally I don’t want to hear their reasons because their reasons will be anti-Semitic bullshit.

Kendodd · 25/08/2024 22:03

SensibleSigma · 25/08/2024 17:19

I was pondering today how we don’t see militant Jews attacking Muslims or mosques or schools in Europe.

That's a really good point. I don't think the recent riots were populated with Jewish people attacking mosques.

YOYOK · 25/08/2024 22:05

Bullbreedbliss · 25/08/2024 20:35

Personally I’m more horrified by all the schools that have been bombed in Gaza but I guess we all have different priorities with mine being dead children.

I hope you post that same paragraph on every thread. After all, why does it matter if someone’s husband had an affair with their sister, it’s not as horrifying as schools being bombed in Gaza and dead children? I hope you go on every single thread, no matter how upsetting for the person. Your child broke their leg at school? At least it wasn’t bombed and they are alive. Your mum lost her job and now she cannot pay her mortgage and her house is being repossessed? At least she wasn’t bombed and she is alive.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 25/08/2024 22:16

MumsTheWordFact · 25/08/2024 19:57

Most people who are "pro Palestine" want to see that area and Israel merged together into one state. The result of that would be absolutely murderous so it is understandable why people equate Pro-Palestinian when anti-semitic.

I don't understand your first sentence at all. Can you explain where you get that idea from?

GhostPower · 25/08/2024 22:17

Horrendous that someone would burn a place of worship. It really is beyond words that this has happened. And I'm sure that it's causing a lot pain and feelings of being terrified to Jewish people, rightly so.

Where is the same condemnation for the IDF bombing a mosque and tearing up the Quran in Gaza?

Nadeed · 25/08/2024 22:19

@GhostPower This post is not about the IDF.
It is about an arson attack in France.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 25/08/2024 22:20

ScentlessAprentice · 25/08/2024 21:45

"Going after her", er what? I was just talking, like most of us on here do. And "called out early on" for what exactly?

For her crime of saying "Southern Ireland". It's not called that any more. But it used to be normal to call it that, and you knew what she meant.

Humdingerydoo · 25/08/2024 22:32

GhostPower · 25/08/2024 22:17

Horrendous that someone would burn a place of worship. It really is beyond words that this has happened. And I'm sure that it's causing a lot pain and feelings of being terrified to Jewish people, rightly so.

Where is the same condemnation for the IDF bombing a mosque and tearing up the Quran in Gaza?

Not sure why you can't just condemn anti-Semitism without bringing Israel into it? What's the difficulty there?

Glitterglitch · 25/08/2024 22:49

When incidents like this happen, however, it does reinforce the need for Jewish people to have somewhere they feel safe.

Thats the part that gets overlooked a lot in these conversations. Jewish people often feel they need to leave where they are eg France because of persecution so they need a safe place.

Glitterglitch · 25/08/2024 22:52

Where is the same condemnation for the IDF bombing a mosque and tearing up the Quran in Gaza?

Would you have posted a comment “where’s the condemnation for the children killed by the UK forces during the War on Terror on a thread about the Manchester Arena bombing?

YOYOK · 25/08/2024 23:13

The rules (apparently!!)

  1. Jews should not discuss antisemitism without publicly apologising for the actions of the Israeli government, even when they don’t live anywhere near Israel nor do they actually support the Israeli government.
  2. Jews should not discuss antisemitism because there are far worse atrocities in the world. If they do discuss antisemitism, they need to begin with ”I am aware there are far more serious events occurring in the world right now and I am not suggesting that antisemitism is the worst thing to ever occur.” or words to this effect.
  3. Following on from above point, Jews are incapable of simultaneously feeling distress about antisemitism and feeling distress about more devastating matters such as; death of innocent children.
Waxdrip · 25/08/2024 23:18

Bullbreedbliss · 25/08/2024 20:35

Personally I’m more horrified by all the schools that have been bombed in Gaza but I guess we all have different priorities with mine being dead children.

What makes you think that people can't simultaneously abhor antisemitism and grieve for innocent children? Odd to think that one precludes the other.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 23:19

YOYOK · 25/08/2024 23:13

The rules (apparently!!)

  1. Jews should not discuss antisemitism without publicly apologising for the actions of the Israeli government, even when they don’t live anywhere near Israel nor do they actually support the Israeli government.
  2. Jews should not discuss antisemitism because there are far worse atrocities in the world. If they do discuss antisemitism, they need to begin with ”I am aware there are far more serious events occurring in the world right now and I am not suggesting that antisemitism is the worst thing to ever occur.” or words to this effect.
  3. Following on from above point, Jews are incapable of simultaneously feeling distress about antisemitism and feeling distress about more devastating matters such as; death of innocent children.

👏👏👏 This is painfully accurate.

Helpabojttown · 26/08/2024 00:14

This thread really highlights where the problem with antisemitism lies.

The fact that all Jews are being held as collectively responsible for what’s happening in the Middle East, and that Jews in Europe are then seen as fairgame and deserve to be attacked.

Its good that the majority here are horrified by this attack and by antisemitism generally, but the poll results show a silent but significant contingent of people who think it’s perfectly acceptable for Jews to be targeted by firebombs.

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SensibleSigma · 26/08/2024 07:31

You know it highlights another problem with this awful war- Jewish people are facing increased persecution around the world with uncooked for consequences:
Heightening the determination of Israel to keep its citizens safe
Undermining Jewish confidence in safety anywhere, they can’t stay home and they can’t go to Israel because of the instability there and their discomfort with the behaviour of the IDF. I could imagine a kind of collective trauma from that as well as the historic trauma.

JaneDoeHere · 26/08/2024 07:36

I’ve seen some recent pots on here along the lines of, some one disagreeing or putting a point of view up, let (by an aggressive poster, usually spouting there aggression in the CIME board) with what about Gaza? And, my al time favourite, the condescending “can you please explain exactly what you meant?”

Lacdulancelot · 26/08/2024 07:42

Bullbreedbliss · 25/08/2024 20:35

Personally I’m more horrified by all the schools that have been bombed in Gaza but I guess we all have different priorities with mine being dead children.

Good god take a look at what you’ve written.
I am horrified by both, it’s perfectly possible.

MissyB1 · 26/08/2024 07:50

ScentlessAprentice · 25/08/2024 19:59

Nope, as an Irish person 'of the South' neither I, nor anyone I've ever met, including my rather large extended family, has ever referred to Ireland as 'Southern Ireland'. If that's what you call our country, go for it. But don't tell me what 'people of the South' call it, as you clearly haven't a clue.

And yes, I'm well aware that Northern Ireland (an actual country) is part of the UK. But go raibh maith agat for the education.

All my relatives live in what theyrefer to as "southern Ireland" they can call their homeland whatever they like. Just because you don't call it that doesn't make my family wrong.

Appleandstrawberrypie · 26/08/2024 08:42

Sorry, I know this isn't the point of this thread but I see it on MN a lot so hard to let it pass. People here call the country Ireland ( its official name) or Republic of Ireland. Really, nobody says Southern Ireland - unless possibly when they're explaining to people outside the country where they're from, as it seems to be a common term in GB for some reason. That could be the context for your relatives using it @MissyB1. It is wrong as it's not the country's name, but it's arguably clearer if you're in GB.

Using the term Southern Ireland can get people's backs up so it's best avoided even though most people mean no offence.

Apologies for the derail.

Flibflobflibflob · 26/08/2024 08:54

I don’t understand how 15% of people think that it’s fine to attack synagogues. Why not Mosques then? Every time there an islamic terror attack should someone petrol bomb a mosque?

You can be concerned about Palestinians whilst also condemning racist attacks on Jews in Europe.