To be horrified by fire attack on Jewish synagogue in France by pro Palestinian terrorist

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This is awful, my thoughts are with the French and worldwide Jewish community.

French police arrest synagogue blast suspect https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo

What a surprise! A post about antisemitism leads to antisemitism being posted on that thread. I wish I was surprised.

Do you think it's ever justifiable for Jews of the diaspora to end up as collateral damage for the actions of the Israeli government and the IDF because antisemites are looking for any excuse to harm Jews?

I feel like maybe this isn't the thread for you then if you don't care about Jews?

"Going after her", er what? I was just talking, like most of us on here do. And "called out early on" for what exactly?

Personally I don’t want to hear their reasons because their reasons will be anti-Semitic bullshit.

That's a really good point. I don't think the recent riots were populated with Jewish people attacking mosques.

I hope you post that same paragraph on every thread. After all, why does it matter if someone’s husband had an affair with their sister, it’s not as horrifying as schools being bombed in Gaza and dead children? I hope you go on every single thread, no matter how upsetting for the person. Your child broke their leg at school? At least it wasn’t bombed and they are alive. Your mum lost her job and now she cannot pay her mortgage and her house is being repossessed? At least she wasn’t bombed and she is alive.

I don't understand your first sentence at all. Can you explain where you get that idea from?

Horrendous that someone would burn a place of worship. It really is beyond words that this has happened. And I'm sure that it's causing a lot pain and feelings of being terrified to Jewish people, rightly so.

Where is the same condemnation for the IDF bombing a mosque and tearing up the Quran in Gaza?

@GhostPower This post is not about the IDF.
It is about an arson attack in France.

For her crime of saying "Southern Ireland". It's not called that any more. But it used to be normal to call it that, and you knew what she meant.

Not sure why you can't just condemn anti-Semitism without bringing Israel into it? What's the difficulty there?

When incidents like this happen, however, it does reinforce the need for Jewish people to have somewhere they feel safe.

Thats the part that gets overlooked a lot in these conversations. Jewish people often feel they need to leave where they are eg France because of persecution so they need a safe place.

Where is the same condemnation for the IDF bombing a mosque and tearing up the Quran in Gaza?

Would you have posted a comment “where’s the condemnation for the children killed by the UK forces during the War on Terror on a thread about the Manchester Arena bombing?

The rules (apparently!!)

1. Jews should not discuss antisemitism without publicly apologising for the actions of the Israeli government, even when they don’t live anywhere near Israel nor do they actually support the Israeli government.
2. Jews should not discuss antisemitism because there are far worse atrocities in the world. If they do discuss antisemitism, they need to begin with ”I am aware there are far more serious events occurring in the world right now and I am not suggesting that antisemitism is the worst thing to ever occur.” or words to this effect.
3. Following on from above point, Jews are incapable of simultaneously feeling distress about antisemitism and feeling distress about more devastating matters such as; death of innocent children.

What makes you think that people can't simultaneously abhor antisemitism and grieve for innocent children? Odd to think that one precludes the other.

👏👏👏 This is painfully accurate.

This thread really highlights where the problem with antisemitism lies.

The fact that all Jews are being held as collectively responsible for what’s happening in the Middle East, and that Jews in Europe are then seen as fairgame and deserve to be attacked.

Its good that the majority here are horrified by this attack and by antisemitism generally, but the poll results show a silent but significant contingent of people who think it’s perfectly acceptable for Jews to be targeted by firebombs.

You know it highlights another problem with this awful war- Jewish people are facing increased persecution around the world with uncooked for consequences:
Heightening the determination of Israel to keep its citizens safe
Undermining Jewish confidence in safety anywhere, they can’t stay home and they can’t go to Israel because of the instability there and their discomfort with the behaviour of the IDF. I could imagine a kind of collective trauma from that as well as the historic trauma.

I’ve seen some recent pots on here along the lines of, some one disagreeing or putting a point of view up, let (by an aggressive poster, usually spouting there aggression in the CIME board) with what about Gaza? And, my al time favourite, the condescending “can you please explain exactly what you meant?”

Good god take a look at what you’ve written.
I am horrified by both, it’s perfectly possible.

All my relatives live in what theyrefer to as "southern Ireland" they can call their homeland whatever they like. Just because you don't call it that doesn't make my family wrong.

Sorry, I know this isn't the point of this thread but I see it on MN a lot so hard to let it pass. People here call the country Ireland ( its official name) or Republic of Ireland. Really, nobody says Southern Ireland - unless possibly when they're explaining to people outside the country where they're from, as it seems to be a common term in GB for some reason. That could be the context for your relatives using it @MissyB1. It is wrong as it's not the country's name, but it's arguably clearer if you're in GB.

Using the term Southern Ireland can get people's backs up so it's best avoided even though most people mean no offence.

Apologies for the derail.

I don’t understand how 15% of people think that it’s fine to attack synagogues. Why not Mosques then? Every time there an islamic terror attack should someone petrol bomb a mosque?

You can be concerned about Palestinians whilst also condemning racist attacks on Jews in Europe.