To be horrified by fire attack on Jewish synagogue in France by pro Palestinian terrorist

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This is awful, my thoughts are with the French and worldwide Jewish community.

French police arrest synagogue blast suspect https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3d4v43gjo

The Church of Scotland might not need security but Christians are still the most persecuted religion in the world. Not sure what your point is here?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/why-is-christian-persecution-often-met-with-indifference-20240124-p5ezps.html

No one should be persecuted for their religion, including Christians.

Well when you have one parent from the north and one parent from the south. Thats how we roll.in our household . But hey Ho - each to their own!
i so feel your kinda just nit picking now!
Have a good evening as I take my evening stroll on Derrynane beach! Slainte!

I disagree. Although I agree that a lot of Westerners think it’s about land. This is, in my opinion, due to lack of understanding of the history and cultures of the region.

The desire to annihilate Israel as a country is genocidal in its nature. It’s against the people. ‘From the river to the sea’ really doesn’t mean ‘let’s try to persuade all the Jewish people to move somewhere else or share access to their land’. In fact, since 1948 Israel has repeatedly offered Palestine a two state solution in various forms, all of them have been rejected.

Hamas openly admits one of its aims is to annihilate the Jewish people (see their 1988 manifesto) and prevent any peaceful coexistence in the region.
(https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/08/no-one-can-deny-hamas-aim-is-to-kill-jews-it-fully-admits-it/) IMHO, whoever cares about Palestinian people should want to see Hamas destroyed.

In my opinion, the anti-Jewish sentiment that fuels the hatred towards Israel today predates its existence as a state.

“The energy and outrage Jews generate — making up 0.2 percent of the world population — is oddly disproportionate. Antisemitism is a wild, irrational eruption.”
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/wolpe-hatred-jews/

Just a shame so many people in the West cannot see where it came from and where it’s heading.

Thanks for the advice. I literally replied once, which I think is the nature of chat forums. So 'leave her alone' isn't really relevant, unless you think nobody should ever reply to anyone else?

You were going after her Scentless and got called out early on.

I appreciate your reply. The only reason I say this is that the relationship between religions hasn’t always been this way. So, for example the relationship between Christians, Muslims and Jews now is not the same as it was (eg during the Spanish Inquisition and during the time of the Ottoman Empire).

I don’t deny the history of anti-semitism and have spent time reading about it to educate myself. But I don’t think we can ignore what happened in 1917 and again in 1948 (plus all that in between and since) and not think that there is an issue of rights to land.

It is awful what's happening to the Jewish community and I'm very sorry to read about events in France.

The BBC also failed to report (last time I checked) that the stabbing attack in Germany was committed "for Palestine". Welcome to the globalised intifada.

I'm shocked to see that so many people have voted YABU. Awful.

Personally I’m more horrified by all the schools that have been bombed in Gaza but I guess we all have different priorities with mine being dead children.

This particular conflict, yes. Wars the world over are fought for less. It saddens me that the human race can do this to itself.

I agree that the Hamas use of civilians, including children, as human shields is absolutely abhorrent and must be condemned by the international community.

stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

Do you think the same when it comes to islamophobia or do you save this rhetoric for anti semitism?

This thread is about an attack on French Jews. Sorry if you find that trivial. There's hundreds of other threads where you can discuss Gaza so maybe you could pop over to those instead of derailing this.

@Bluemincat Christian's shouldn't be persecuted. Jewish places of worship have security that churches don't need.

Both are simultaneously true.

Do you think the actions of the criminal in the op were justified?

Do you think it’s ever justified for children to end up as collateral damage?

You go first

No, I do not think it’s justified.

You seem to struggle with having two thoughts simultaneously

Of course. But I was questioning the poster's intentions, on a thread about Jewish persecution in France, of saying that the Christian church in the UK doesn't need security. It seemed an odd thing to say in the context and to be minimising/denying the persecution of Christians.

It’s terrifying being openly Jewish atm. Same as the posters, my shul/ children’s school security is through the roof.

It’s a nice change that people on here are condemning this attack. No surprise there are other posters who are still pretending Jew hatred isn’t happening and that poster who is claiming that most pro Palestinian people “don’t hate Jews” is still sticking their head in the sand.

It’s scary, it’s real and it’s happening. It will only be a matter of time before one of our (UK) synagogues/ Jewish schools is attacked with a devastating outcome. And sadly, I’m sure people will still be denying that it’s because they hate Jews.

Plenty of churches around the world need security. And plenty of churches are held "underground" as if they were found out they would all be killed.

Very "brave" to openly admit you're not bothered by anti-Semitism.

Did you know that scientists have proven that it's actually fully possible to discuss anti-Semitism in Europe without feeling the need to mention Israel or Gaza? I know, I found it fascinating too!

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