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LyndaSnellsSniff · 23/08/2024 17:32

Roxxie Tickle?

He may as well have called himself Widow Twanky. The whole thing smacks of pantomime dame with delusions of grandeur.

glitches78 · 23/08/2024 17:34

I'm sorry but this has gone to far now

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/08/2024 17:34

None of these male people are women. Not one. Not "my lovely trans friends" invading women's spaces, not chancers like Tickle, not misogynistic media "personalities" like India Willoughby, not rapists like Isla Bryson.

They are all a problem for women's rights, to a greater or lesser extent. I hope this is becoming clearer to people who didn't think it was too much of an issue.

Projectme · 23/08/2024 17:35

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/08/2024 17:20

Nail on head. What on earth does it mean to 'live as a woman' or 'identify as a woman'?

Hypothetical case. Mike is 40, white, heterosexual father of three, in reasonably good health, former professional rugby player,

If Mike tried to get people to accept any of the following* people would be concerned and outraged.

I identify as a 3-year-old not yet out of nappies
I identify as a wheelchair user and I expect to get assistance on public transport
I identify as Black British and I will stand for election in my union for a place reserved for BAME members

And yet if Mike says:
I identify as a woman, so I am now my children's mother. Because I am sexually attracted to women, that makes me a lesbian, and it's transexclusionary for lesbians to exclude me from their dating pool. Now I am a woman I can stand for election as a women's representative in my party. I am going to join the local women's rugby team (average age of players: 17) and if I am picked for the A team I will play this dangerous contact sport with the other women and I will share their changing rooms and showers. If I go through airport security I will expect to be patted down by a female member of staff. I want the NHS to change my medical records to show F instead of M and if I need in-patient treatment I expect to be on a female ward. If I retrain as a healthcare practitioner and a patient asks for a woman to carry out her treatment she'll get me. Etc etc.

That's all fine, apparently. It has no more basis in material reality than the other claims, but who cares, it's only women and girls at risk.

*There are real life examples of people claiming all these things and some people accepting, justifying and even celebrating it, but I'm reasonably confident most people wouldn't do any of those things.

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Absolutely all this.

I could cry.

I'm trying to get my DD19 to understand this ruling and what it means for women. She said 'but where are the TWs supposed to go. It's not very fair on them is it'. 😑 this particular post and this whole thread will be so helpful to explain how this will affect her massively now but also in the future.

And this is where #bekind has got us. 🤦‍♀️ I just feel utter despair.

Conkersinautumn · 23/08/2024 17:39

SilenceInside · 23/08/2024 14:13

Only an entitled male would take an organisation for women-only to court to force them to accept his membership.

The confused state of the law in Australia is shocking, as is the fact that a judge could sit there and actually say that sex is changeable and not necessarily binary! No mammal on the planet has or ever will change sex, and of course sex is binary - what are the other sex(es) and what is their role in mammalian (and therefore human) reproduction?

Pretty sure the suffragettes did a lot of what your describing as "entitled" thinking around accessing male only spaces. I realise a dating ap is frivolous but how is humanity helped by exclusion?

Bromptotoo · 23/08/2024 17:42

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 17:31

Then I guess that you have failed at that on this thread today.

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My first post was intended to make the point that Sal Grover's conduct in court wasn't helping her case. I've lost count of the number of cases, albeit on subjects totally different to this, I've sat through where one party or the other dug their own grave by focusing aggressively on stuff that didn't help.

If the law is as @legalalien says then Ms Grover was pretty much bound to lose anyway.

borntobequiet · 23/08/2024 17:42

YANBU, for all the reasons already given on here.

Collie86 · 23/08/2024 17:43

why was he trying soo hard to get into this group? surely there are more important matters in life?? It's a women's only space... can't we even have that???

AmandaHoldensLips · 23/08/2024 17:46

It is not possible to uphold women's hard-won sex-based rights if the definition of WOMAN is changed to include MEN.

This ruling makes a complete mockery of women's rights. It's a disgrace.

Doteycat · 23/08/2024 17:46

Fucking Prick
In every sense of the word.

AnnaFrith · 23/08/2024 17:48

GustyFinknottle · 23/08/2024 16:48

No: it's almost impossible to repeal a law. What we need to do is strengthen the Equality Act here in the UK to make it clear that 'sex' means biological sex and that people can't change biological sex and that it's lawful for women to expect single-sex spaces to be free from men who say they are women.

This video features Akua Reindorf of the EHRC, Maya Forstater and Helen Joyce. It offers a blueprint for what we have to do here in the UK to sort out this almighty mess. All of them agree that repealing the GRA is impossible and will waste a million women hours to no great effect:

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I agree that strengthening the Equality Act is much easier and should be a political priority.

But bad laws can and should be repealed. People's 'gender' is immaterial, and doesn't need recognition. Birth certificates are statements of fact, and shouldn't be changeable at whim. Sex is immutable. I don't think the GRA will be repealed any time soon, but this madness isn't over until this piece of nonsense is recognised as obsolete and removed from the statute.

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 17:49

Bromptotoo · 23/08/2024 17:42

My first post was intended to make the point that Sal Grover's conduct in court wasn't helping her case. I've lost count of the number of cases, albeit on subjects totally different to this, I've sat through where one party or the other dug their own grave by focusing aggressively on stuff that didn't help.

If the law is as @legalalien says then Ms Grover was pretty much bound to lose anyway.

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Sal expected to lose. And the women supported her financially also held little hope.

This is a court case that is that important to have to test what the law says in Australia after the changes over ten years ago by Gillard. It is past due to be challenged.

Do you understand just how many women are now discussing this issue hot off the back of two male boxers punching female boxers in the face? And the women's rally in Melbourne over the weekend where it was very widely reported on the news showing the violence and intimidation by extreme trans activists? Particularly after all the reports from the UK that was being shown on Australia media showing violent males.

The law has to be tested so that the women in Australia understand what the situation is now.

It seems to you underestimate the reach of this case in the current environment.

Your first post was to shame Sal Grover.

DontBeDaftYou · 23/08/2024 17:50

This man winning this case cannot reasonably be supported or explained. The damage this decision could do for women in every area of their lives is immense.

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 17:50

Collie86 · 23/08/2024 17:43

why was he trying soo hard to get into this group? surely there are more important matters in life?? It's a women's only space... can't we even have that???

It is about validation. Because it was a female single sex space was exactly why he demanded access.

BlackShuck3 · 23/08/2024 17:52

GiveMeSpanakopita · 23/08/2024 15:02

He may've won his case but he's still not going to get any dates with lesbians, is he.

what about lesbian trans-women, surely they'd be up for some lady-penis action?

Bromptotoo · 23/08/2024 17:53

Your first post was to shame Sal Grover.

No, it was intended to show she made a Horlicks of presenting her case.

Oldinjuryhelp111037 · 23/08/2024 17:55

What bull shit is this. I'm so fed up with this and genuinely worried for my girls future.

Maybe we should start questioning what a man is!!!!

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 17:58

Partylikeits1985 · 23/08/2024 16:22

Roxy Tickle? Who the fuck calls themselves that?

Anyway, yeah, biological males are allowed into female safe spaces. Even though the absence of biological males is what makes them safe. So now they aren’t safe. Well played Australia 🙄

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I believe that a fella called Jason does.

I could be wrong.

Cattyisbatty · 23/08/2024 17:58

EasternStandard · 23/08/2024 14:14

consistently found sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary”

I mean we really are in trouble with this, from a judge

This is beyond the pale, seriously. You can’t change your bio sex - wtf from a so-called educated person!

reesewithoutaspoon · 23/08/2024 18:00

Meadowwild · 23/08/2024 17:19

Does anyone know what his name was before he became Roxy Tickle? I mean, it's possible that Tickle is his actual surname but Roxy Tickle is such a cos play name.

I think their previous name was Tess

caramac04 · 23/08/2024 18:01

Can we really have nothing? Because that’s what it feels like. I’m both sad and angry.
Sex is not changeable, gender I accept can be fluid but no, sex is not.

Oldinjuryhelp111037 · 23/08/2024 18:01

Women always lose. It's literally a man's world. Now men are women and still have the law on their side. Women would get fairer treatment identifying as bats at this rate.

spikeandbuffy24 · 23/08/2024 18:02

I just don't get it

At school we had a girl in my year. She wore the boys uniform, had a more masculine haircut, basically dressed and lived as a male (that's a rubbish explanation but I can't think of another way to put it) and used a male name
My mum called her lad as she wouldn't have it that she really was female

She knew she was female, she didn't object if anyone called her a girl, she used the female toilets and got changed in a separate room. Nobody bothered, it was just who she was and there was no bullying
But she never claimed she was a boy, if you asked her she just said "I prefer boys football and these clothes are more comfortable"

Oldinjuryhelp111037 · 23/08/2024 18:02

When are we all coming together to protest?

Sunsgoingtokeepshining · 23/08/2024 18:03

If you want to integrate as a normal everyday women, why choose a porn star name? This guy is dodgy as hell! This ruling is dodgy as hell!

Amnesty need to take a long hard look about whose rights they are ‘protecting’ here, because they seem to be campaigning to drive some very dangerous individuals into women’s spaces. It’s horrifying.