To think the world has gone fucking mad

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po

Roxxie Tickle?

He may as well have called himself Widow Twanky. The whole thing smacks of pantomime dame with delusions of grandeur.

I'm sorry but this has gone to far now

None of these male people are women. Not one. Not "my lovely trans friends" invading women's spaces, not chancers like Tickle, not misogynistic media "personalities" like India Willoughby, not rapists like Isla Bryson.

They are all a problem for women's rights, to a greater or lesser extent. I hope this is becoming clearer to people who didn't think it was too much of an issue.

Absolutely all this.

I could cry.

I'm trying to get my DD19 to understand this ruling and what it means for women. She said 'but where are the TWs supposed to go. It's not very fair on them is it'. 😑 this particular post and this whole thread will be so helpful to explain how this will affect her massively now but also in the future.

And this is where #bekind has got us. 🤦‍♀️ I just feel utter despair.

Pretty sure the suffragettes did a lot of what your describing as "entitled" thinking around accessing male only spaces. I realise a dating ap is frivolous but how is humanity helped by exclusion?

My first post was intended to make the point that Sal Grover's conduct in court wasn't helping her case. I've lost count of the number of cases, albeit on subjects totally different to this, I've sat through where one party or the other dug their own grave by focusing aggressively on stuff that didn't help.

If the law is as @legalalien says then Ms Grover was pretty much bound to lose anyway.

YANBU, for all the reasons already given on here.

why was he trying soo hard to get into this group? surely there are more important matters in life?? It's a women's only space... can't we even have that???

It is not possible to uphold women's hard-won sex-based rights if the definition of WOMAN is changed to include MEN.

This ruling makes a complete mockery of women's rights. It's a disgrace.

Fucking Prick
In every sense of the word.

I agree that strengthening the Equality Act is much easier and should be a political priority.

But bad laws can and should be repealed. People's 'gender' is immaterial, and doesn't need recognition. Birth certificates are statements of fact, and shouldn't be changeable at whim. Sex is immutable. I don't think the GRA will be repealed any time soon, but this madness isn't over until this piece of nonsense is recognised as obsolete and removed from the statute.

Sal expected to lose. And the women supported her financially also held little hope.

This is a court case that is that important to have to test what the law says in Australia after the changes over ten years ago by Gillard. It is past due to be challenged.

Do you understand just how many women are now discussing this issue hot off the back of two male boxers punching female boxers in the face? And the women's rally in Melbourne over the weekend where it was very widely reported on the news showing the violence and intimidation by extreme trans activists? Particularly after all the reports from the UK that was being shown on Australia media showing violent males.

The law has to be tested so that the women in Australia understand what the situation is now.

It seems to you underestimate the reach of this case in the current environment.

Your first post was to shame Sal Grover.

This man winning this case cannot reasonably be supported or explained. The damage this decision could do for women in every area of their lives is immense.

It is about validation. Because it was a female single sex space was exactly why he demanded access.

what about lesbian trans-women, surely they'd be up for some lady-penis action?

Your first post was to shame Sal Grover.

No, it was intended to show she made a Horlicks of presenting her case.

What bull shit is this. I'm so fed up with this and genuinely worried for my girls future.

Maybe we should start questioning what a man is!!!!

I believe that a fella called Jason does.

I could be wrong.

This is beyond the pale, seriously. You can’t change your bio sex - wtf from a so-called educated person!

I think their previous name was Tess

Can we really have nothing? Because that’s what it feels like. I’m both sad and angry.
Sex is not changeable, gender I accept can be fluid but no, sex is not.

Women always lose. It's literally a man's world. Now men are women and still have the law on their side. Women would get fairer treatment identifying as bats at this rate.

I just don't get it

At school we had a girl in my year. She wore the boys uniform, had a more masculine haircut, basically dressed and lived as a male (that's a rubbish explanation but I can't think of another way to put it) and used a male name
My mum called her lad as she wouldn't have it that she really was female

She knew she was female, she didn't object if anyone called her a girl, she used the female toilets and got changed in a separate room. Nobody bothered, it was just who she was and there was no bullying
But she never claimed she was a boy, if you asked her she just said "I prefer boys football and these clothes are more comfortable"

When are we all coming together to protest?

If you want to integrate as a normal everyday women, why choose a porn star name? This guy is dodgy as hell! This ruling is dodgy as hell!

Amnesty need to take a long hard look about whose rights they are ‘protecting’ here, because they seem to be campaigning to drive some very dangerous individuals into women’s spaces. It’s horrifying.