To be so fucking angry. How many more women and children must die?

[Kianai]

I'd almost become numb to it, with all the news so far this year.

Murder after murder of women and their children. Noone ever seeming to link the common denominator. NAMALT.

This latest one today, I feel like something is beginning to snap inside me. Three babies and a young woman dead, because of a fucking man. Again. And again.

news.sky.com/story/police-launch-murder-investigation-after-woman-and-three-children-die-in-house-fire-in-bradford-13200678

We need an organised Mumsnet march. Women - actual women - marching to the gates of Downing Street.

What specifically would be the aim though? Other than to publicly express grief and outrage - perhaps that is a sufficient reason.

But a march won't change some men's intrinsic character - the possessiveness, violence or whatever the hell it is. While improvements to the rates of prosecution s and sentencing for some crimes against women and children might be helpful, I doubt that would deter family annihilators any more than it would stop a lion killing cubs.

My DD 13 is at secondary school.There is one particular lad in her class who, already is showing signs of concerning behaviour towards females. She has told me about the way he speaks about girls (slags etc)and his vile attitude towards teachers. This kind of behaviour needs to be called out early on. (I've spoken to school about him). I recall some parents at primary school moaning about sex education ( age appropriate of course)and how 'I don't want my kid to hear things like that'. I think this needs to happen,so these kids learn about boundaries and what is acceptable. I know this is not going to stop men being abusive, but it might give our girls confidence to protect themselves.

I agree, and no one seems to be up in arms about it! Where are all the so called celebrities showing their outrage over this? Quick to show outrage over other issues but women violence is just shunned. Women are one of the most oppressed populations out there. I am sick of it.

Oh dear. 🙄

Hear hear! 👏

To act as a focal point for our grief and outrage? A starting point to show the Labour Government that we need action NOW, to show our support for Jess Phillips as minister re; VAWG? A peaceful march with banners and children and pushchairs and politicians and fabulous, famous, strong women leading at the front.

Just going to ignore my "pick me" namesake 🙄

Funny how many men came out to riot when it was someone of colour who stabbed those little girls, even more so once the false rumour started that he was Muslim.

A few weeks prior, three women were tied up a killed with a crossbow - not a whimper of a protest.
Funny that.

I got bloody sick of explaining on a recent thread that it was about ALL MEN - the bad and the good. The number of NAMALT, not my DH/DF/DS apologists - sickening.

indeed, where are all the usual suspects that claimed to be appalled at other recent horrific violent events (and again that was a male killing females) where is Farage, Yaxley Lennon and Kate Hopkins? nowhere to be seen or heard because they are only interested in violent crime when it can be used to further their twisted agenda.

The ones who were on the telly saying " we need to make this country safe for our kids" are oddly silent

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I am going to be annoyingly pedantic here. You make an important and shocking point about husbands/male partners in general - they are more likely than anyone else to murder their wife/female partner. But you cannot validly apply statistics about husbands in general to a particular husband you know something about. Such a husband might be a particularly easygoing or good man, he might be paraplegic, or on life support. So the statistics for husbands in general do not apply directly to a particular person. It is possible that the probability of a particular husband murdering his spouse might therefore not be the greatest risk to his particular spouse. This a statistical point of importance, I don't mean to argue with the general risk. Look up Bayesian probability if you doubt me.

I can feel sad for them as well, it’s not mutually exclusive. The story of one woman holding her 1yo baby above the water level whilst barely keeping her own head above and every time she came up all she could hear wer screams - I can feel that on a human level.

I don’t why some VAWG makes headlines whereas others don’t, e.g Sarah Everard even before a serving police officer was suspected

I feel that way about my nieces, both of them have had nasty experiences at the hands (literally) of men, it makes me so angry and anxious, a friend of mine's daughter has been getting gross comments from men since she turned 12, it makes me beyond angry

Every single time this subject is brought up we get the handmaidens saying it's both sexes. It is categorically not both sexes.
Men kill women AND men.
The problem as ever is MEN.
hth

9 year old getting stabbed? What the hell is happening? There was an 12 year old girl stabbed in London the other week

Is it that many though really?

Remember the news only reports the bad stories , never the good stories.

I'm middle aged. I'm in my forties. I've met a lot of women. Thousands and thousands.

Only one woman that I've ever met personally, ended up being killed by a man.

I still remember her as it was obviously a very shocking event.

In.the case of family anniliation I think they are very often a first offence. I think it's wrong to say it but that's the reason lots of reports talk about the man being a 'good family man's.

Highly unlikely to be a first offence. There will be a history of domestic abuse culminating in murder. Lots of reports use the good family man narrative because of bias towards men and because perpetrators are good at masking.

It's ALL MEN until the men who are supposedly okay, get off their arses and hold the violent ones to account.

It's their responsibility to address it, but they can't be arsed. Enough with the not all men crap. Stop being apologists for walking trash.

Approximately 4 women are murdered a week in the UK. I posted the source earlier in this thread if anyone wants it.

I’d attend.

Men are murdered every week too. Children are murdered every week too.

Bad things happen all the time.

There are always going to be cruel cold murdering humans around, sadly.

There always has been and there always will be

RIP Bryonie, Denisty, Oscar and Aubree. I’m praying the perpetrator survives not because I have even the slightest bit of concern for him but so that he can face the full wrath of the Law before he faces Gods wrath. Also, if this is the end and there is no such thing as heaven or hell then dying would be too merciful for him.

What was the need to say obscenely? Does their wealth at all devalue their life?