To be so fucking angry. How many more women and children must die?

[Kianai]

I'd almost become numb to it, with all the news so far this year.

Murder after murder of women and their children. Noone ever seeming to link the common denominator. NAMALT.

This latest one today, I feel like something is beginning to snap inside me. Three babies and a young woman dead, because of a fucking man. Again. And again.

news.sky.com/story/police-launch-murder-investigation-after-woman-and-three-children-die-in-house-fire-in-bradford-13200678

It's almost ironic that we need men to protect us from men!

Everything is stacked against women from the beginning of time. The Bible talks about Eve tempting Adam, so all of that was our fault. In ancient Greece Aristotle describes women as deformed. In ancient scriptures we are depicted as lowly and to be punished harshly for perceived misdemeanors, or our role is to serve man.
We are oppressed because they fear us and they have to exert their physical strength to keep us in place.
We are genetically programmed to love our children unconditionally and that is exploited and used as a means to control us further.

That must be trolling; so someone kicks you in the stomach and destroys the baby you yearned to have - you just say: "Well I might be upset but it didn't feel anything so I'll just nip down to M&S and order another."?

After 36 hours of really severe pain of course.

You lack insight into the nature of humanity, unfortunately.

We all know that for every 1 instance reported there many that aren't. The majority of women at some point in their life have had some form of inappropriate behaviour directed towards them. We don't report these things because of stigma, embarrassment, doubt or sometimes we even convince ourselves it was our own fault.

In 1989 a man called Marc Lepine walked into a University classroom in Montreal. He ordered all of the men out of the room and shot and killed all the women, fourteen of them. His suicide note blamed feminists.

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/04/mass-shooting-1989-montreal-14-women-killed

So its ok then to kick/hit/throw her down the stairs/stab a pregnant woman in the stomach.
I mean the foetus didnt feel a damn thing, the woman felt all kinds of pain but yet again, she doesnt matter.
Have you heard yourself?

How many more women and DC die before what?

What is your post about other being understandably angry?

What do you think the solution is?

Before...what?

Can you tell me why, when specific women killers are mentioned, they are brushed aside as one-offs, yet specific female victims are mentioned, they are accepted as a trend?
I stand by hyperbole, hysteria and misandry and I have managed to get to my late 50s without ever feeling terrified to go out or threatened every time I leave the house.
Sorry but I think you are mostly ridiculous on this board.

It's a weird twist of my personality that I enjoy true crime programs, every time a woman and/or her children are killed I think "her DP/ DH did it" and do you know what, I'm bloody right a good 90% of the time. Some of the murders are incredibly brutal, it's hard to fathom how anyone who loved someone once could kill in such a manner but they do, it's almost as if having loved someone once they are more brutal and vicious because they've been rejected.
People say women have become cynical about men but when you see the bad ones, the ones who will kill a woman for rejecting them how can women feel otherwise. The terrible truth is you don't know who will say OK and move on and who will exact a horrible revenge

Don't be ridiculous. The woman has rights. You can't do that to people.

I'm the one saying women do matter, therefore you don't put non-sentient life ahead of a woman's right to control her body and her destiny. You seem to have got it twisted around.
Very strange post.

It seems I have misjudged you. You are guilty only of totally misunderstanding a post, not of having evil ideas! Someone said: "The leading cause of death for a foetus in the UK is domestic violence."

I do not know if this actually true, it seems unlikely in the first trimester where spontaneous miscarriage is common, but still, that is what they said, and it could be true later in pregnancy. It may come as surprise to you that many men are violent to women despite their right not to be assaulted!

They meant that violence against women was the main cause of the loss of a wanted pregnancy, due to physical trauma.

You seem to have confusedly taken it as some comment on women choosing therapeutic abortion.

Please clarify your thoughts.

Yes, I did think the poster meant abortion is domestic violence. Anti-choice people say that all the time.

"It may come as surprise to you that many men are violent to women despite their right not to be assaulted!"
🙄
Sure, seeing as I just dropped off a turnip truck and all.

Interesting. I don't think anyone in the UK could rationally describe abortion as domestic violence as we don't legally recognise foetuses as people. Perhaps we should ask @Thelnebriati what she meant, if she is still around.

Why would an anti-choicer feel the need to be rational? If so, it would be a first.
She didn't respond to my post to her, so I assume that means she's not interested in discussing it or is not available.

Women don't even support other women

I support women (and men) who are being rational, reasonable and hold a view I agree with.
Some posters are being the complete opposite of reasonable and rational and seem to be only interested in pushing an agenda that every single man is a potential abuser and every single problem or issue women face is the fault of men.
I cannot support such an extreme echo chamber with some very aggressive members who attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.
As a pp said, over-egging the issues women face turns less extreme people (whose lives bear no resemblance to the lives apparently lived by all women according to this board) off the argument. I would also add refusing to listen to other opinions and effectively implying people are stupid if they don't agree with them do posters no favours either.

The point I think they're trying to make, is that not all men are violent (🙄) but that most women are attacked by men.Violence against women and girls is on the increase Worldwide and we should be able to speak about women's issues, without minimising them in comparison to men's. I am certain that you would agree it needs to stop.

Well I apologise for misunderstanding your interpretation of her words.

To clarify; I am not anti choice. IDK how @XChrome came to that conclusion. I dodnt understand their answer to my post and though it was odd, so didnt bother replying.

I am pro choice. I have no idea what abortion has to do with domestic violence that is so severe it causes the death of a foetus. They are two separate issues.

Yeah, we're all misandrists...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9w1554zvxo

You've posted one link. I've posted a meta study of 1700 peer reviewed studies, a 32 nation dating violence study, and another meta study covering 80 former studies. And there are plenty more studies to be found within the page I linked.

So, given that the majority of female violence is against children, how can we know which women to trust?

And it's not all about physical violence. How many schoolgirls commit suicide after being endlessly tormented by their female peers?

I've worked out what she means. Apparently some yank 'christians' describe therapeutic abortion as "domestic violence" on the basis that the foetus is part of the household. She misread your statement as being one of those - a sort of understandable error I suppose, but at least now we all agree!

What I don't get is how feminists seem to think it's a great revelation that men are more violent. A well kept secret that needs communicated to the masses.

Plot twist. Everyone already knows, because it's the same with the vast majority of mammals on this planet. Bulls are more aggressive than cows. Rams are more aggressive than ewes, etc etc. Human males are more aggressive than human females and commit much more violence, the vast majority of which is against each other as in the animal kingdom.

The difference is that most feminists seem to believe that humans are a unique case rather than being like pretty much every mammal out there, including our ancestors. Most seem to strongly refute that it has anything to do with testosterone (despite the reams of studies) and usually try and argue it's to do with socialisation or privilege etc.

I'm not sure why this is but I speculate it may be because it's a tough battle when the enemy is nature rather than men. If we blame it on men then we can lump them all together and lecture the 99% of men that don't murder. When they point out that they're non violent and haven't ever killed a women then we can say "oo, but we can't tell the bad ones from the good".