To be so fucking angry. How many more women and children must die?

[Kianai]

I'd almost become numb to it, with all the news so far this year.

Murder after murder of women and their children. Noone ever seeming to link the common denominator. NAMALT.

This latest one today, I feel like something is beginning to snap inside me. Three babies and a young woman dead, because of a fucking man. Again. And again.

news.sky.com/story/police-launch-murder-investigation-after-woman-and-three-children-die-in-house-fire-in-bradford-13200678

Allegations are evidence. Not sufficient on their own, but definitely evidence. Goodly proportion of magistrates court cases a statement by a police officer is the only evidence.

Most rapes are not strangers jumping out of the bushes and most don't involve beatings. They happen on dates and with acquaintances. There is often no bodily harm other than, obviously, to the genital area. The perp will try to get away with it by claiming you consented. If bruises were taken as the only evidence of rape, most rapes could not possibly be prosecuted. So that's how consent becomes an issue.

The odds of being murdered are less than 1 in 100,000. Also, men are twice as likely to be victims as women.

As distressing as these stories are, they are also incredibly rare at the population level, and nothing approaching an epidemic.

I typed a long response to this inane post but just deleted, you can’t argue with stupid.

Just googled statistics for England and Wales {2023 Census}
^^
''As in previous years, the majority of homicide victims were male, making up around 7 in 10 of all victims (71%) with around 3 in 10 being female (29%).''

But ex wives tend not to murder their ex husbands.

Can you explain to me how this statistic can be summarily dismissed as 'stupid' just because it does not fit your narrative?

It’s not the police who convict, it’s our judiciary. There is a total lack of consequence. These fuckers need to be locked up and not sent on Building Better Relationship courses. Foreign criminals convicted of violent or sexual crimes should be deported. Until there are real consequences this bullshit will continue.

Another woman brutally murdered in a flat fire in londonderry.
Wonder how long until a man is arrested for this heinous crime.

Just to summarise the thread succinctly, the problem of male violence pervades many women's lives, despite actual murder being (relatively) uncommon. Next question?

Completely. It's not just about women being murdered. The threat of violence is real for many women. The problem I see from this thread, is that quite a lot of women live in a bubble where they think it doesn't exist. If women don't agree how can we ever expect men to listen.

Yes, it’s constant, they say it’s two women a week killed by men, in the uk alone, I think that number has gone up! It’s utterly sickening! There was the triple murder cross bow attack of 3 women, last month, one being the ex of the murderer, last week a mom and her daughter stabbed in Leicester Square in London, by a man, and now, this arson attack in Bradford.

It has GOT to STOP!
also, the justice system needs a complete make over. I bet most many of those killings could have been avoided if the justice system put those men away, long before anything like this happened.

this is not saying that all men are like that, but a large amount of men are like that.
people never like hearing the truth, but this is how it is.
There is a MASSIVE problem with men’s behaviour towards women. It needs to first be admitted, looked at, talked about and dealt with.

Did anyone mention anything about a protest march?
I would recommend, to all women that they should take self defence courses, learn to defend themselves. Some of those attacks come as they sleep, and out of the blue, but at least, they would have a much better chance, of defending themselves and stay safe with some self defence and combat skills.

Karina

Someone posted something about the odds are 1 in 100000 for a woman to get murdered?!! Where do you get those numbers from?!
The there is a massive problem with men and their behaviour towards women denial squad?!

Could it be a man posting such a thing?!?

Two women a week are killed in the uk alone?

Wake up! The worst pandemic out there are those types of men. Not Covid, not some exotic flu, MEN, exes, Narcissistic sexual degenerate men, who run around and rape and murder women. Can’t take a no for a no, and then, the woman is suddenly dead.

This madness needs to STOP!

 Karina

The homicide rate in the U.K. is lower than 1 in 100k, it is 6 women per million.
The statistics are from the ONS. I am sure both men and women research and publish them

The number of domestic homicides of women, 70, is the lowest number recorded since the data was first collected electronically in 1977.

71% of homicide victims are male, 7.7 per week.

Around 200 women are killed annually (homicide includes murder and manslaughter), which is 3.8 per week, not 2
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023

These are the figures. They by no means display acceptance or endorsement of homicide.

a large amount of men are like that

Assuming that it’s different men killing each woman, so there are 200 men killing 200 women each year, that means at every year at least 15,856,700 males (used the # aged 16-64) manage not to kill a woman.

Scratching my head here, but is 1 in 79,285 “a very large number”?
It is 0.001261% of men? Is that a large amount of men?

We deal in hyperbole, hysteria and misandry on this board @Sugarandspice.
We're not particularly interested in facts.

Tell Sarah Everard and Zara Aleena about your hysteria and misandry. They were hunter, like prey but a couple of men who just wanted to rape and kill women.

Thank you.
I think any number of people, men, women & children, killed by homicide is too many, but my observation in life has been that one is not taken seriously if one liberally over eggs the pudding with hyperbolic expressions 😱

No men are killed simply because they are men. That is the point you're missing. Women, otoh, are killed for being women.
Men have the expectation that they aren't going to be randomly targeted because of being men or killed by a partner because they are men who would not do what a woman wanted. This makes a massive difference to the psyche.

We have men killing men and men killing women.
The source of the problem is obvious. Hence this thread.

Which is something men don't have to worry about happening to them.

Interesting insight into the psyche of murderers, so do you have a study where psychiatrists and psychologists have concluded that men on the whole murder women just for existing?

I’d expect a bit more random stranger murders of women if that were the case, the kind of pattern we see in homicides of men.

I’m not sure worrying about a potentially different motive trumps being twice as likely to be murdered in the first place?

The leading cause of death for a foetus in the UK is domestic violence.

I have to prove to you that fuckers who rape, beat and kill women do it because they hate women?
Unbelievable level of denial.

Re; random murders, most serial killers target women, which is because they hate women.
Stranger murders of men consist of gang murders, bar fights and robberies. It has nothing to do with being men. I suggest you face reality.

But since you asked, Google The Role of Misogyny in Patterns of Homicide. It will bring up a long PDF. Happy reading.

Do you know any men who are wary of being randomly attacked every time they walk down a dark, empty street alone? Do you know any women who aren't? Do you know any men who, when they go on a first date with somebody they met in OLD, make sure it is in a safe public place in case the woman turns out to be a violent nutter?
I forget who it was, but there was a comedian who had this in his routine;

Men's thoughts when they go on a blind date; "I hope she doesn't turn out to be an uggo. That would suck."
Women's thoughts; "I hope he doesn't kill me and cut off my head. Will I still have a head by the end of the night?"

Then so is killing a weed on your lawn. It's not a sentient creature either. It actually may be more sentient than a fetus under 26 weeks gestation, because relatively little is known about plant sentience. A lot is known about fetal sentience, for example that it doesn't exist throughout most of the pregnancy.