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To suggest a male curfew one night a week

786 replies

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

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ToniFire · 19/08/2024 18:55

Don't be flipping ridiculous.

Go about your life - safely and by taking any precautions you feel necessary - but to live in this society would be a massive backwards step.

Jazz7 · 19/08/2024 18:55

Ridiculous. Why do you for a minute not think the only men following it would be the good ones. The perverts who cause the problems would absolutely love it. No decent men around to help if needed. Why demonise the majority of men who would never threaten or attack a woman and in fact would help if needed

MyUmberSeal · 19/08/2024 18:55

It’s a crap idea, we don’t all feel like defenceless and vulnerable women in fear for our lives when we go out at night. I feel perfectly safe. Most of my mates are male, I wouldn’t have a social life if they had to stay at home.

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:55

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:44

That is how a lot of women have to live at the moment.

Interested in whether you are male or female @StoneHenge85 to post such an offensive thing?

Just seen from another thread that you are male @StoneHenge85. You should be ashamed of your disgusting misogynistic views.

Mickey79 · 19/08/2024 18:55

No. Restricting a group of people’s freedoms, based purely on a ‘characteristic’ is a dangerous, slippery slope.
A male curfew is discriminatory and wont keep women safe ( domestic violence is a much bigger problem than stranger violence). The men who do pose a danger are the ones who would ignore a curfew, and it would be those who are not a threat adhering to it. Effectively punishing the innocent. I can’t get on board with this idea at all.

nocoolnamesleft · 19/08/2024 18:56

Pity it's only a thought experiment, and not realistic. Because it would feel amazing.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 18:56

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:31

unfortunately, it is not all mindset if you get dragged into the bushes and raped at 1am

Luckily
This isn't happening as a matter of course anyway!

Most rape is by people known to the victim. They don't grab random women and drag them off to rape them.

It's just scaremongering

JohnofWessex · 19/08/2024 18:57

Hum........

An idea that goes back to the 70's when women who were told to stay off the streets at night quite rightly pointed out that they were not the problem it was men.

So lets go beyond the important symbolism.

While as one commentator has pointed out most/much violence against women - and men for that matter happens in the home BUT that isnt as easy to Police in the way that 'public order' is.

And of course if we want to help break our dependency on the car.

So why isnt being a twat in public a policing priority? Why dont we sweep up the drunk, agressive and abusive into a drunk tank in Yeovil and leave them to find their way home when they are sober on Sunday morning? Take away the boy racers cars and driving licences etc etc

It could be done with benefits to men and women alike

x2boys · 19/08/2024 18:57

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There would be much fewer of those taxis,as at least where I am most taxi drivers are men.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 18:57

ALL women aren't under a self imposed curfew
ALL women don't change their behaviours because scaremongering Internet people tell them to

OP is proposing ALL men are LAWFULLY punished for the minority

There's a difference

FrippEnos · 19/08/2024 18:58

twilightermummy

I'd suggest the Freedom programme to be rolled out in schools for teenage girls from the age of 14 and re-enforced ever year. The boys could also have a similar project to teach them healthy relationships and behaviours towards women.

Would the boys programme include how they should be treated in a relationship? Because very few teenage relationships are healthy from either side.

Paul2023 · 19/08/2024 18:59

And there’s me thinking that every male works 9-5 and none of them ever do night shifts…

Newbutoldfather · 19/08/2024 18:59

How about if you changed ‘men’ to a particular ethnicity based on percentage convicted of violent crime? How would that thread go?

We have a really fundamental and, I believe, valid concept that everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty, as individuals.

Punishments due to belonging to a certain class or group are quite common in some parts of the world. I believe Hitler tried one based on his mistaken beliefs about people like me (I think curfews were involved in the beginning).

Even as a thought experiment, this is pretty vile.

Samcro · 19/08/2024 19:02

Who is going to police this ridiculous idea?
seeing as the police won’t be able to.
what age do you think it should start at?

Goldenbear · 19/08/2024 19:02

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 17:52

Would there be special passes for those men who work at night? Or would women be expected to pick up the slack? Or would services just be understaffed?

What if they were taken ill or they had to run a friend or family member to the hospital?

Why would it deter those who already think they are above the law and break the law regarding violence?

What about the fact it would essentially TRAP abused women at home with abusive men angry about the discriminatory rule? Where they are more likely to be abused than a woman on the street?

Ignoring the fact that punishing all men in this way would only incite more men to feel aggrieved at women and become extremists.... and is basically segregation

Yes, I was thinking the same and it would trap women with a resentful man.

Anyway, why be scared of men, I think that is the wrong way to think about this. Personally, I don’t restrict myself through fear of men, I do what I want!

Paul2023 · 19/08/2024 19:03

Id personally be happy to see curfews for gangs and young people hanging around at night. Say 10pm.

Theres no reason for young people to be out that late.

LadyGabriella · 19/08/2024 19:04

Good idea but would never be practical. Ie shift workers carers etc. Think women only spaces/accommodation is a good idea.

Paul2023 · 19/08/2024 19:05

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

You hate all men don’t you ? Do you have any positive relationship with male family members? Or male friend?..Just curious..

MistyGreenAndBlue · 19/08/2024 19:05

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 17:54

I walk around at night without fear. Because I don't let scaremongering get to me.

Punishing all men is not the way to go. Plenty of other options.

Like: harsher sentences, more education, better police presence, better street lighting...

My DD used to walk at night without fear too. Until she was attacked only a few metres from home.
It's not fear mongering. Women are at risk from violent men indoors and out! Calling our sensible precautions and vigilance fear mongering is not helpful.

5128gap · 19/08/2024 19:06

FrippEnos · 19/08/2024 18:58

twilightermummy

I'd suggest the Freedom programme to be rolled out in schools for teenage girls from the age of 14 and re-enforced ever year. The boys could also have a similar project to teach them healthy relationships and behaviours towards women.

Would the boys programme include how they should be treated in a relationship? Because very few teenage relationships are healthy from either side.

I guess that would be up to all the decent concerned and responsible men to organise for them, wouldn't it? Because women have their hands full enough as it is trying to use their experience to help younger women and girls. It's actually about time men stepped up to offer guidance to boys. Then maybe Andrew Tate wouldn't have found such a void to fill.

exaltedwombat · 19/08/2024 19:06

Where would you go out TO if all men had to stay at home? :-)

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 19:08

I'm also pretty sure that rapists, and certainly child rapists, are considered the lowest of the low in prisons

Brothers/fathers/uncles "paying a visit" to lads who've wronged their female relatives

Men who jump in, often risking their own lives, to protect others from male violence

It is a problem that men address.

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 19/08/2024 19:08

Ah! The sins of the few shall be vested in the many.

The men who are no danger would obey it. The men who are a danger would ignore it entirely.

Pointless.

DinnaeFashYersel · 19/08/2024 19:08

I already walk without fear.

And I don't believe we should remove the civil rights of most law abiding snd decent men and boys.

Stupid click bait thread.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 19:09

exaltedwombat · 19/08/2024 19:06

Where would you go out TO if all men had to stay at home? :-)

To their new job mending the roads which they had to be drafted into to make up for the shortfall of labour one night a week.