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To suggest a male curfew one night a week

786 replies

twojumps · 19/08/2024 17:41

when women can walk free in the streets without fear?

Yes, violence still happens in homes and behind closed doors but what a powerful message it would send.

I'd say every night but let's start with one.

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Iforgotagain · 19/08/2024 18:41

By far the biggest threat to your dd's will be future boyfriends (or any men they live with including your own dp if you have one), not some random in the street. I've been out in the evenings in the city I live in getting myself home for 36 years without ever experiencing male violence. My male sibling has been seriously assaulted twice by strangers walking home.
And you wouldn't even have posted this if you had sons (who are actually at much higher risk of violent assaults than women since they account for the majority of victims). Yes mums of sons have the same worries OP.

rayofsunshine86 · 19/08/2024 18:41

stayathomer · 19/08/2024 17:45

The only ones who won’t keep the curfew will be the ones to be afraid of

Not necessarily. I think most men would ignore it and say "sod that ridiculous rule. I'm going out to buy a Twix".

CautiousLurker · 19/08/2024 18:42

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 19/08/2024 18:29

Forcing men to stay AT HOME where MOST violence happens would not help ALL women at all!

It would put those women at FAR more risk

But of course you won't listen to that

Yes - DV increased exponentially in the US and UK during lockdowns. Had forgotten that.

Toottooot · 19/08/2024 18:43

Awa bile yer heid min.

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 19/08/2024 18:43

This is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here. What are you talking about? Was this inspired by the start of the handmaiden's tale?

It's hard to know where to even start with the idiocy of this suggestion. But here are some practical reasons:

  • most aggression to women happens at home
  • by enforcing this you'd increase the burden on women, as they become the only people who can take kids to swimming lessons, go shopping, earn money, whatever.
  • we don't have enough infrastructure and female workforce to keep everything working
  • many families need the income
  • classist. I'm going to assume "elite" men are exempt. Or would you really have the prime minister miss important government meetings because of his penis?
  • you'd end up with only criminal men on the street at that time
  • impossible to police whether someone is out for a good reason. For example, are men allowed to walk to hospital to receive essential treatment under your regime? How do you prove where they're going? Don't you worry about profiling and it's dangers if the call is left up to police?
  • you'd put big scheduling burdens on people. How do you go out as a family? How do you organise work evenings and school teacher meetings when one less week day that half the population is locked at home?
  • do dependents of men also just end up confined to their homes - children at their dad's, elderly women who rely on their son to drive them, and so on?
  • what age does it kick in?
  • the things you're worried about are already illegal

Some further moral / social reasons why this is a terrible and borderline evil idea.

  • men aren't weapons, they're human beings. We need to socialise them the way you'd socialise a human, not just lock them away to minimise the problem
  • sends the message that actually it's ok to assault women on the men days. After all, "stupid slut should have just gone out on Manless Monday if she didn't want it, am I right lads?".
  • as women, we of all people should know that it's morally wrong to impose restrictions on people based on their sex class
  • it takes away from the wrongs of the patriarchy. The patriarchy is the problem, not men existing in public. Acting like the former is the problem prevents you from addressing the problems of the latter.
5475878237NC · 19/08/2024 18:44

The only way violence against women will be solved is if it's a problem for ALL men. So I'm in favour of the ideology behind it.

Newbutoldfather · 19/08/2024 18:44

I think it is a fantastic idea and should last until well after bin collection time.

I do think that the corollary should be enforced though, and all the middle class women spouting this misandrist nonsense should be forced to do the predominantly male-staffed unpleasant low waged jobs that keep the country safe and working through the night. These would include waste collection, fire services and essential road and utility maintenance.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 18:44

rayofsunshine86 · 19/08/2024 18:41

Not necessarily. I think most men would ignore it and say "sod that ridiculous rule. I'm going out to buy a Twix".

Yes and then police and prosecuter time can be thoroughly wasted trying to sort out all the men who just popped out for twix and actual rape convictions will remain low as dirt.

BargingOnBy · 19/08/2024 18:44

StoneHenge85 · 19/08/2024 18:20

If you’re afraid to go out OP you can always stay at home every night!

That is how a lot of women have to live at the moment.

Interested in whether you are male or female @StoneHenge85 to post such an offensive thing?

pollyglot · 19/08/2024 18:45

Golda Meir suggested this many years ago. She was ridiculed too. In theory, great idea. In practice, not so much.

Feelingleftoutagain · 19/08/2024 18:45

I did not suggest that at all! I merely pointed out that not all men are bad and it was stupid to label all men the same. So don't try and twist people's words

Werweisswohin · 19/08/2024 18:45

Nope.
That's not the answer.

FreedomDogs · 19/08/2024 18:45

5475878237NC · 19/08/2024 18:44

The only way violence against women will be solved is if it's a problem for ALL men. So I'm in favour of the ideology behind it.

I think everyone's in favour of the "ideology behind it" as in everyone here does want to see violence against women reduced. We just think it's a stupid idea that wouldn't work anyway.

MoosakaWithFries · 19/08/2024 18:46

twojumps · 19/08/2024 18:19

@JabbaTheBeachHut

Give me your suggestions then? How do we reduce or end male violence?

More police and social workers, a CPS that is victim focused, stronger sentences for offenders, naming and shaming in the media following convictions and support for survivors.

All the above applicable for men and women because DA victims are not just female.

You will never end violence but banning men one night a week is ludicrous and you know it.

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 19/08/2024 18:48

5475878237NC · 19/08/2024 18:44

The only way violence against women will be solved is if it's a problem for ALL men. So I'm in favour of the ideology behind it.

That's it in a nutshell.

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 19/08/2024 18:48

As a parent of 2 sons and 2 daughters.

My mind is blown, I have brought up my sons to be respectful of any person.

Do not tar all men with the same brush.

DrinkElephants · 19/08/2024 18:49

OoodlesofNoodles · 19/08/2024 17:42

And punish the majority for the actions of the minority?

My thoughts too. Let’s tarnish all men as violent individuals who pose a risk to women when it is the minority.

Rachie1973 · 19/08/2024 18:50

Stoptherideiwanttogetoff24 · 19/08/2024 17:54

And you think all the rapists and attackers would stay home because it’s against the rules to go out and commit crimes on a Wednesday…..

they’d be more likely to as all the women would be undefended by brothers, friends, husbands, boyfriends, dads…. You know all the good men who don’t commit crimes and care about and respect women

Not to mention if they did break curfew and go out we’d have a vastly reduced police force to arrest them if men aren’t at work.

FrippEnos · 19/08/2024 18:51

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 19/08/2024 18:48

That's it in a nutshell.

How does this make it a problem for all men?

ilovesooty · 19/08/2024 18:51

Completely impracticable.

WhereDoWeGoFromHereBill · 19/08/2024 18:51

Can't wait for this! Love Sarah Parish

JabbaTheBeachHut · 19/08/2024 18:52

Rachie1973 · 19/08/2024 18:50

Not to mention if they did break curfew and go out we’d have a vastly reduced police force to arrest them if men aren’t at work.

Yes, over 63% of police officers in England and Wales are male apparently.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/08/2024 18:54

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 19/08/2024 18:36

I think people are missing the point of the idea. It's not workable, no. Of course not. But what was the suggestion when, for example, the Yorkshire Ripper was active? Women should stay home, or not go out alone. But women being out wasn't the problem, was it? It was one of the men - who were swanning around unimpeded - doing the murdering. If the rule had been "no men on the streets after dark" - well, any man out and about would be under suspicion.

All women are expected to change their behaviour to avoid being harmed by (some) men. How would it be if instead, all men were expected to change their behaviour to avoid women being harmed by (some) men? * *

It's not a workable idea, more a thought experiment. It's like asking "what would happen if men experienced periods / the pain of childbirth / menopause?"

Completely agree. It's always the women who have to find the solutions for VAWG.

Findwen · 19/08/2024 18:54

Wife: "Oh god, that was the last nappy - I'm exhausted and still in pain from the birth can you go out and get some more ?"
Husband: "Sorry dear, it's curfew night. See you when you get back."

SamVan · 19/08/2024 18:54

I would love this! I would love to walk safely on the streets with one boob out if I so wish without worrying about being attacked or harassed. The only times I've felt threatened or been attacked or robbed has been by men. Having just a few hours of total freedom would be such a treat.